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On 5/19/2024 6:34 PM, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
> On 2024-05-19, Barry via Python-list <python-list@python.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 18 May 2024, at 16:27, Peter J. Holzer via Python-list <python-list@python.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think Linux users have to deal with venvs
>>
>> Modern debian (ubuntu) and fedora block users installing using pip.
> 
> You can't even use pip to do "user" installs?

Nope, often not.  The error messages I've gotten do tell you to use the 
"--break-system-packages" flag if you really, really want to install the 
package.  So

python3 -m pip install --user --break-system-packages [--upgrade] 
<package name>

Or install an additional version of Python that isn't managed by the system.

> Grant
>