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I think the right word for this is "delusional". But people get offended when other people use the right words. Instead they want a grotesque round-about way of saying the same thing... So, the grotesque round-about way of saying this, if you are still reading that is... Even if pip, setuptools and friends worked well (which they don't) there are big problems that these tools cannot solve: * Network partition * Version mismatch * Competition between different installer tools * Increased requirement for vetting and validation * Shortening shelf life of existing projects But hey, this is just letting off steam. Nobody cares. The decision was already made and it won't be unmade. And, in the grand scheme of things this is a drop in a bucket of the awful decisions that were guiding Python in the last decade or so.