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Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: bring back nntp library to python3 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:00:52 -0700 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <mailman.49.1723676761.2890.python-list@python.org> References: <LTikP88eJILZwPX6abc@test.de> <87bk1ug8vh.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <CAJQBtgkmJnaaZGCTjrcjpY1AAPgtiBJ6qGhrPXEmfzQ408ZMuw@mail.gmail.com> <9cf532a1-33a2-eb0b-e9e9-5785bcc572ff@stoneleaf.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 90qaC73KXzy5Lx/D8geJnQVUM+tF8WQe6Lie3c2HR6UQ== Cancel-Lock: sha1:Y8HNqgdunYno5upGlwEFznxQliA= sha256:LNT0Ltztvk1Vehpzf2oQh/HsxIidRlpqbaXmk6TYVQY= Return-Path: <ethan@stoneleaf.us> X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org Authentication-Results: mail.python.org; dkim=pass reason="2048-bit key; unprotected key" header.d=stoneleaf.us header.i=@stoneleaf.us header.b=FNK0vqCL; dkim-adsp=pass; dkim-atps=neutral X-Spam-Status: OK 0.017 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; '(which': 0.04; 'subject:library': 0.07; 'installer': 0.09; 'received:217.70': 0.09; 'received:217.70.178': 0.09; 'received:gandi.net': 0.09; 'received:mail.gandi.net': 0.09; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.16; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.16; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.16; 'message-id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.16; 'partition': 0.16; 'pip,': 0.16; 'setuptools': 0.16; 'subject:bring': 0.16; 'words.': 0.16; '~ethan~': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'instead': 0.17; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.20; 'version': 0.23; 'saying': 0.25; 'cannot': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.30; 'think': 0.32; 'do.': 0.32; 'python- list': 0.32; 'but': 0.32; 'there': 0.33; 'same': 0.34; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.34; 'people': 0.36; 'way': 0.38; 'this,': 0.39; 'use': 0.39; 'still': 0.40; 'want': 0.40; 'between': 0.63; 'requirement': 0.64; 'validation': 0.64; 'well': 0.65; 'worked': 0.67; 'received:217': 0.67; 'right': 0.68; 'tools': 0.74; 'increased': 0.76; 'life': 0.77; 'left': 0.83; 'subject:back': 0.84; 'competition': 0.95; 'friends': 0.96 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=stoneleaf.us; s=gm1; t=1723676455; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=004Gey+wQOooJqlxv4fxAkyeCHv7UlloCJPgbS6KL6Y=; b=FNK0vqCLwjlQFfsF6u4asJCCu5lY+ukKmqMzdFSehQDvevq8fJc86+WvOYBe6rgjiW64lO nmTKbznOATWcUW+GBvVdHMfwqK94kbW2y6Yoq+lYI2y6dNx9HxuBfS48SWSupGx7Zo8unR VjlMSyhnqwlLX2DFCxLRt4GL4OlSer0rH60x3bfe1srWlkK8Dky9FgjjyJfKu+rVblP+6l JK1Jlfa316bdHPY+T0vtBJUsP7eTeqygvi8nAB6uDdpHiQGIIR2BPof1iZjhnpZ1Y/g9Ss RyCvMISz66YZcfTjCtP2HudXIye6jngaDHe2jiVoLl5OLFx8vQGdK4V6f9gguw== User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.9.1 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <CAJQBtgkmJnaaZGCTjrcjpY1AAPgtiBJ6qGhrPXEmfzQ408ZMuw@mail.gmail.com> X-GND-Sasl: ethan@stoneleaf.us X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language <python-list.python.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/> List-Post: <mailto:python-list@python.org> List-Help: <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=subscribe> X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <9cf532a1-33a2-eb0b-e9e9-5785bcc572ff@stoneleaf.us> X-Mailman-Original-References: <LTikP88eJILZwPX6abc@test.de> <87bk1ug8vh.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <CAJQBtgkmJnaaZGCTjrcjpY1AAPgtiBJ6qGhrPXEmfzQ408ZMuw@mail.gmail.com> Bytes: 4943 On 8/14/24 15:32, Left Right via Python-list wrote: > I think the right word for this is "delusional". But people get > offended when other people use the right words. Instead they want a > grotesque round-about way of saying the same thing... > > So, the grotesque round-about way of saying this, if you are still > reading that is... Even if pip, setuptools and friends worked well > (which they don't) there are big problems that these tools cannot > solve: > > * Network partition > * Version mismatch > * Competition between different installer tools > * Increased requirement for vetting and validation > * Shortening shelf life of existing projects > > But hey, this is just letting off steam. No need to hit <Send> if you're just venting. > Nobody cares. Yeah, people do. -- ~Ethan~