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Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Cameron Simpson <cs@cskk.id.au> Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Variable scope inside and outside functions - global statement being overridden by assignation unless preceded by reference Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 09:48:08 +1100 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <mailman.62.1709851700.3452.python-list@python.org> References: <bd2e0672-fc3e-4678-b212-04ab1f45c52c@gmail.com> <ZepEKCbZNelFasml@cskk.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de NpXUvyGtmSuJmvdKFgwZKADAQjZwVGCOnjInx/hBH8fg== Cancel-Lock: sha1:QZpsGAqU8dfoClnyqhrJtuYH8vM= sha256:6BDr2wrdTtNfJ70hEzBK/mZSNeaIN6m4WXz7ggCXldk= Return-Path: <cameron@cskk.id.au> X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org Authentication-Results: mail.python.org; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (unprotected policy); dkim-atps=neutral X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'def': 0.04; 'variable': 0.05; 'explicitly': 0.07; '>from': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'namespace': 0.09; 'page:': 0.09; 'yes.': 0.09; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.14; 'import': 0.15; 'defined.': 0.16; 'from:addr:cs': 0.16; 'from:addr:cskk.id.au': 0.16; 'from:name:cameron simpson': 0.16; 'message-id:@cskk.homeip.net': 0.16; 'received:13.237': 0.16; 'received:13.237.201': 0.16; 'received:13.237.201.189': 0.16; 'received:cskk.id.au': 0.16; 'received:id.au': 0.16; 'received:mail.cskk.id.au': 0.16; 'subject:being': 0.16; 'subject:reference': 0.16; 'url:faq': 0.16; 'url:programming': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'python': 0.16; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'python,': 0.25; 'cc:2**0': 0.25; 'local': 0.27; 'function': 0.27; 'sense': 0.28; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.30; 'module': 0.31; 'official': 0.32; 'assume': 0.32; 'unless': 0.32; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.34; 'received:au': 0.35; 'following': 0.35; 'use': 0.39; 'updates': 0.64; 'received:13': 0.64; 'received:userid': 0.66; 'outside': 0.67; 'within': 0.69; 'terms': 0.70; 'global': 0.73; 'global.': 0.84; 'referenced': 0.84; 'subject: \n ': 0.84; 'body,': 0.91 Mail-Followup-To: Jacob Kruger <jacob.kruger.work@gmail.com>, python-list@python.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <bd2e0672-fc3e-4678-b212-04ab1f45c52c@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.7 (2022-08-07) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language <python-list.python.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/> List-Post: <mailto:python-list@python.org> List-Help: <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=subscribe> X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <ZepEKCbZNelFasml@cskk.homeip.net> X-Mailman-Original-References: <bd2e0672-fc3e-4678-b212-04ab1f45c52c@gmail.com> Bytes: 4308 On 06Mar2024 15:12, Jacob Kruger <jacob.kruger.work@gmail.com> wrote: >So, this does not make sense to me in terms of the following snippet >from the official python docs page: >https://docs.python.org/3/faq/programming.html > >"In Python, variables that are only referenced inside a function are >implicitly global. If a variable is assigned a value anywhere within >the function’s body, it’s assumed to be a local unless explicitly >declared as global." > >So, I would then assume that if I explicitly include a variable name >inside the global statement, then even just assigning it a new value >should update the variable in the global context, outside the >function? Yes. Note that the "global" namespace is the module in which the function is defined. x = 1 def f(n): global x x += n This updates the `x` global variable in the module where `f` was defined. If you import `f` and use it in another module it will _still_ update `x` in the original module namespace.