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What would be the intended use?  If this is for other Debian users,
then why not make a Debian package?  If it's for yourself, why do you
need to automate it?

To be fair, I don't see a point in tools like pipx.  Have never used
it, and cannot imagine a scenario where I'd want to.  It seems like
there's always a better way to do what this tool alleges to be able to
do...

Also, you say that you want it in its own environment: then what
difference does it make if it's on Debian or anywhere else?  If you
are distributing a library, it makes sense to incorporate it into the
user's infrastructure.  Either you do the integration, or let users
decide how to best integrate it.  If you provide them with the
environment that they *must* use, that's going to be the worst of both
worlds: users won't be able to use the library in the environment
created by them, nor will this library integrate with the other
libraries provided by the system.  So, it's hard to imagine why your
users would want that.

On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 12:47=E2=80=AFAM Chris Green via Python-list
<python-list@python.org> wrote:
>
> Can one use pipx to wrap the process of creating an independent
> environment for a python package as opposed to a runnable application?
>
> E.g. I want to install and use pksheet but, as it's not available from
> the Debian repositories, I'll have to install it from PyPi.  So I
> should put it in its own environment. Can pipx help me with this?
>
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> Chris Green
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