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Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: dn <PythonList@DancesWithMice.info> Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: new here Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2024 08:36:02 +1200 Organization: DWM Lines: 45 Message-ID: <mailman.65.1724358976.2890.python-list@python.org> References: <87ikvuzv8g.fsf@rpi3> <liktbqFgjfU2@mid.individual.net> <87zfp4bgm3.fsf@nightsong.com> <lipj21Flti1U6@mid.individual.net> <6da65aef-86d7-46e7-90cc-692985ffaf29@DancesWithMice.info> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de kxchFSIxyh+yNED+nsq4BAbfnYSwMBHTZfHYtCEJU9pg== Cancel-Lock: sha1:LvIui+yfh2w+HMMSPzI+MJvJhFo= sha256:recdyvVPsyNkA1FiJ7gUmHG70djthnAh1irOPvFbwEM= Return-Path: <PythonList@DancesWithMice.info> X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org Authentication-Results: mail.python.org; dkim=pass reason="2048-bit key; unprotected key" header.d=danceswithmice.info header.i=@danceswithmice.info header.b=e7PqCJNB; dkim-adsp=pass; dkim-atps=neutral X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'aug': 0.07; 'demands': 0.07; '-0700,': 0.09; '=dn': 0.09; 'comparison': 0.09; 'docs,': 0.09; 'from:addr:danceswithmice.info': 0.09; 'from:addr:pythonlist': 0.09; 'ourselves': 0.09; 'pulled': 0.09; 'python)': 0.09; 'received:192.168.1.64': 0.09; 'that.': 0.15; '(ie': 0.16; '2024': 0.16; '3.4': 0.16; 'cpython': 0.16; 'message- id:@DancesWithMice.info': 0.16; 'micropython': 0.16; 'received:cloud': 0.16; 'received:rangi.cloud': 0.16; 'resources,': 0.16; 'stuck': 0.16; 'subject:here': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'uses': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.20; 'version': 0.23; 'past': 0.25; 'python,': 0.25; 'old': 0.27; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.30; 'header:Organization:1': 0.31; 'think': 0.32; "doesn't": 0.32; 'half': 0.32; 'python-list': 0.32; 'received:192.168.1': 0.32; 'but': 0.32; 'there': 0.33; 'able': 0.34; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.34; 'those': 0.36; "skip:' 10": 0.37; "it's": 0.37; 'received:192.168': 0.37; 'though': 0.37; 'two': 0.39; 'developers': 0.39; 'consistent': 0.40; 'match': 0.40; 'both': 0.40; 'reference': 0.60; 'feel': 0.63; 'once': 0.63; 'less': 0.65; 'worked': 0.67; 'scale': 0.69; 'offer': 0.71; 'low': 0.74; 'features.': 0.76; 'paul': 0.81; 'shortage': 0.84; 'other?': 0.91 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 vps.rangi.cloud AC5FC6385 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=danceswithmice.info; s=staff; t=1724358968; bh=zO9nYmSGPs5hGevmNxzP4pu9FGh7yYq9CVos8PK/1YQ=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=e7PqCJNB6WHKjRboPcb3a1DK5hWcrx+aI5kAYI0VxZnAvup6dMh+PtWEWAaqInI+v TLq7mK28m+1IMzU6YpRQSEQtPiZNw3PEjUYCa9HgxAWnakaSxPfkmEJ2WA2Sjn0Ig9 M1m0pV+C+6PFO3lH5cSe79nECzRu9v27SWZJzb2Q2F3uDMIxDOzMz65QagEoZDFioS KM/Ai7W4at5no4Ejd45va9gWje1cL2MzGXXyEnXqWhBnCELUg3cUKcGlmjQz1Tztec y6cC33pagX+553zmp0i9sF6w9PgbU3jkOAb2aOkZOmgZB75FZYm6A+wbu5Ppk2ExU8 NU20uH9C49wcQ== User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <lipj21Flti1U6@mid.individual.net> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language <python-list.python.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/> List-Post: <mailto:python-list@python.org> List-Help: <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=subscribe> X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <6da65aef-86d7-46e7-90cc-692985ffaf29@DancesWithMice.info> X-Mailman-Original-References: <87ikvuzv8g.fsf@rpi3> <liktbqFgjfU2@mid.individual.net> <87zfp4bgm3.fsf@nightsong.com> <lipj21Flti1U6@mid.individual.net> Bytes: 5586 On 23/08/24 07:49, rbowman via Python-list wrote: > On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 10:40:52 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > >> The Pico uses MicroPython which is stuck on an old version of Python, >> unfortunately. How did this enter the conversation/thread? Paul's 'contribution' does not even appear on the Archive... > I think it's up to 3.4 in general and erratic past that. It doesn't have > the match from 3.10. I don't think it has f-strings though it may have > the walrus. There are workarounds but it can be annoying. Two points: - it's cut-down to work on bare-metal which makes for low demands on resources, but commensurate shortage of the facilities we CPython developers take for-granted (ie may allow ourselves to find annoying) - it has f-strings, but frustrates those of us who prefer F-strings - the docs point-out that (compared with full-fat Python) it is less consistent across environments. Accordingly, worth reading the "Quick Reference for [your processor]" sections of the docs, eg R-Pi Pico version only has half of the ADC-methods. Once scale expectations to take into account the power of the processor, MicroPython goes-like-the-clappers! > I haven't worked with CircuitPython lately and don't know if it has pulled > in later features. Have you (gentle reader) used both and feel able to offer a comparison - when to prefer one over the other? [https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/like-the-clappers.html] -- Regards, =dn