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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Klaas van Schelven <klaas@vanschelven.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: How to get insight in the relations between tracebacks of exceptions in an exception-chain Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 09:04:50 +0200 Lines: 99 Message-ID: <mailman.70.1712250047.3468.python-list@python.org> References: <CACu42+76QaxqE9DNDZxM=LJGT0r287Vh8p42E5=bUq3+K9LHdw@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 39ZK+gLMZU5XUT4R0qDpKgLGe6pwjE8lWAb2azNia0rQ== Cancel-Lock: sha1:U5ewvgQgP3pIf8sOn/bVAxLmAQw= sha256:ooXRICzmUKdQwJ7qqZrIK5Lu09rvEAETnZb28nU6Axg= Return-Path: <klaasvanschelven@gmail.com> X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org Authentication-Results: mail.python.org; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (unprotected policy); dkim-atps=neutral X-Spam-Status: OK 0.042 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.92; '*S*': 0.00; 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Then we see `AnotherException`, with _all_ a complete traceback from its point-of-raising to the start of the program. In itself this is perfectly fine, but a consequence of this way of presenting the information is that the stackframes are _not_ laid out on the screen in the order in which they were called (and not in the reverse order either), as per the annotations _t1_, _t0_, _t2_, _t3_. The path leading up to _t1_ is of course the same as the path leading up to _t2_, and the creators of Python have chosen to present it only once, in the latter case, presumably because that Exception is usually the most interesting one, and because it allows one to read the bottom exception bottom-up without loss of information. However, it does leave people that want to analyze the `OriginalException` somewhat mystified: what led up to it? A programmer that wants to understand what led up to _t1_ would need to [mentally] copy all the frames above the point _t2_ to the first stacktrace to get a complete view. However, in reality the point _t2_ is, AFAIK, not automatically annotated for you as a special frame, which makes the task of mentally copying the stacktrace much harder. Since the point _t2_ is in general "the failing line in the `except` block", by cross-referencing the source-code this excercise can usually be completed, but this seems unnecessarily hard. **Is it possible to automatically pinpoint _t2_ as the "handling frame"?** (The example above is given without some outer exception-handling context; I'm perfectly fine with answers that introduce it and then use `traceback` or other tools to arrive at the correct answer). This is the most trivial case that illustrates the problem; real cases have many more stack frames and thus less clearly illustrate the problem but more clearly illustrate the need for (potentially automated) clarification of what's happening that this SO question is about. regards, Klaas Previously asked here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/78270044/how-to-get-insight-in-the-relations-between-tracebacks-of-exceptions-in-an-excep