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From: o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2024 21:03:48 -0500
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On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 7:11=E2=80=AFPM dn via Python-list <python-list@pyth=
on.org>
wrote:

> On 4/08/24 09:34, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 4:06=E2=80=AFPM dn via Python-list <
> python-list@python.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/08/24 08:17, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> >>> Greetings
> >>>
> >>> Looking at ESP8266 and wanting to program it using micropython (reall=
y
> >>> don't want to have to learn C++ (not enough hours in the day as it
> >> is!!)).
> >>>
> >>> One of the tools I need to be able to use is esptools - -  well in th=
e
> >>> devuan world you need to run that on either Devaun 3 or 5 - - - its
> just
> >>> not available on devuan 4.
> >>>
> >>> Tried installing all the tools I need using downloads and .deb instal=
ls
> >> but
> >>> then I need to have python3.12 and that's also not part of Devuan4.
> >>>
> >>> Not versed enough to set up a good venv (if that's possible) so that =
I
> >>> could work in that specific venv and have my cake (and get to eat it
> too
> >>> (grin!).
> >>>
> >>> Suggestions - - - ideas - - - please?
> >>
> >> Sorry if this offends, but this is a list of short-cuts and reasons wh=
y
> >> they don't work (immediately).
> >>
> >>
> >> Have just come from a discussion about 'how to start a project'. Among=
st
> >> the questions to ask are: "what resources do we have (or can add) to
> >> achieve?".
> >>
> >
> > Fair question details interleaved - - -
> >
> >>
> >> In this case, if Python-skill is a "personnel-resource" (and C++ a
> >> "constraint"), will question the ESP over Raspberry Pi (say)?
> >>
> >
> > Well - - - RPi world technical specs is usable from -20 to 60 C (iirc o=
n
> > the top number)
> > and for my project I absolutely need to have usability to at least -40 =
-
> -
> > could possibly do a bit less but -35 C is a hard requirement so the RPi
> > and Pico (which I would like to use) is out but ESP8266 runs in that -4=
0
> to
> > 65 C
> > range.
>
> Interesting, but creates a mis-match of tools - battles for you to fight.=
...
>

Not really - - - it takes a computer with psytool and about 5 or 6 other
python3.12
programs to load the microcontroller.
It is in writing the program for the microcontroller that micropython is
used not at
all in the loading.

>
>
> >> Why talking of Python 3.12 when the solution involves MicroPython?
> >>
> >
> > Because one uses psytool on one computer to transfer a program to the
> > MicroPython system.  In fact there are a set of tools that need
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