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Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: minforth <minforth@gmx.net> Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: OOS approach revisited Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2025 11:49:11 +0200 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <mc77onF8d4vU1@mid.individual.net> References: <fdbeb48de8ceb748d44c67dc3981a566@www.novabbs.com> <84d259e0f1d6210d84c7840af5d51f4ebdd71ed4@i2pn2.org> <c9158c200102c2e508f8ef11deecdc27@www.novabbs.com> <248abae6393c59470a015b195642e266@www.novabbs.com> <0087b3b084f8af01cf9fb29bf50c389a104e1ffa@i2pn2.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net 3DGACgg5d5g/GWhZ3bUBTQVGeVMFyEwAFrDX8A8Nzoke15HTqO Cancel-Lock: sha1:D5E5FiPb8uU64M42fYLrFtEvP2E= sha256:K6wAUX+l4n5MRyjhI3ih3Qvk06q3UKN9r22NvtNmt1s= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <0087b3b084f8af01cf9fb29bf50c389a104e1ffa@i2pn2.org> Am 27.06.2025 um 09:29 schrieb dxf: > On 27/06/2025 12:16 pm, minforth wrote: >> ... >> IIRC DO..LOOPs had been a hack for computers in the 60s. >> A rather ugly hack, born out of necessity, slow and >> often cumbersome to use. That it still persists in Forth >> half a century later speaks for Forth's progressiveness. > > Testing FOR NEXT on my DTC system showed 15% speed increase over > DO LOOP. Putting 5 NOOPs (executes forth's address interpreter) > in the innermost loop brought it down to 6%. Not worth it IMO. > It really depends on how counted loops are implemented. Most CPUs have operators for register-based count-down loops that are blazingly fast. If they can be used within Forth-based loop constructs I would expect a greater speed increase than what you measured.