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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: politics Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 13:08:43 +0000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 88 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <me3jlj5ddkee9calbgruahf1g62es8gt9s@4ax.com> References: <ff8316a0-d409-4154-ba53-dd736d5c28e9@gmail.com> <9m9kjjh7rkfuc49cjhmrh3hffmo5l1cnti@4ax.com> <559c09f8-1b28-46f1-a481-c80fcc9aaae7@gmail.com> <1b59lj1lr70dp7if5pq5e8bdv1jip8lvpj@4ax.com> <zV6dncdi7ekqycv6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> <mrhdljdprvmlua1ttrnefbihuodbo4n3sr@4ax.com> <f98eljlsncefo6rb2bdvospr2bun75kqbm@4ax.com> <20241211123209.d4f7fa39336ec0e264150222@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="52348"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:CiC2MmuaW01E2CU3qNQJAo8edPg= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id E4924229782; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 08:08:56 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4A3E229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 08:08:53 -0500 (EST) by pi-dach.dorfdsl.de (8.18.1/8.18.1/Debian-6~bpo12+1) with ESMTPS id 4BBD8mi7280183 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 14:08:48 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4969E5F8F6 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 13:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/4969E5F8F6; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id A723ADC01A9; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 14:08:45 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 14:08:45 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+/uRSJduiw54QPa50WdCzKeIn6n7V4nuI= HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 6347 On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 12:32:09 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote: >On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 12:02:23 -0500 >jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 10:34:40 +0000, Martin Harran >> <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 02:23:51 +0000, *Hemidactylus* >> ><ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote: >> > >> >>Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 10:05:40 -0800, erik simpson >> >>> <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On 11/17/24 9:25 AM, Martin Harran wrote: >> >>>>> On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 08:13:43 -0800, erik simpson >> >>>>> <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are >> >>>>>> off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of >> >>>>>> affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do about it. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> You'd prefer it to be essentially a Ron O blog? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> That's what it's pretty well been this last while :( >> >>>>> >> >>>> Ron's been standing clear of electoral politics. In fact, if he's the >> >>>> most prolific poster, good for him. >> >>> >> >>> Sorry, I meant to reply to this but it slipped by me. >> >>> >> >>> Just to be clear, I have no problem at all with Ron's posting on the >> >>> Dairy Flu - on the contrary, that is the sort of stuff that he excels >> >>> at and I find his contributions highly valuable even if focused mostly >> >>> on the USA as there will be an inevitable knock-on this side of the >> >>> Atlantic. >> >>> >> >>> My point was that recently, he has really been the only poster here … >> >>> unless you want to consider JTEM as a useful poster! >> >>> >> >>Ron scares the shit out of me on a regular basis and for that I thank him. >> >> >> >>I don’t know if we’ve been able to rebound from the welcome demise of GG. >> >> >> >>I do miss more frequent input from Lawyer Daggett and Burkhard. I think >> >>they had both used novaBBS as an alternative means. >> >> >> >>Ron Dean has returned. That’s gotta be better than JTEM, right? >> > >> >So has MarkE. Coincidence? >> > >> >One way or another, hopefully they will generate a bit more activity >> >than has been here since the end of GG. >> >> >> You conflate smoke with substance. Both MarkE and RDean are likely to >> provide the latest rounds of deja vu all over again, where they repost >> the same old arguments without acknowledging the answers they were > >You are vindicated. > >Also Martin Harran is reviving some historical debate about how Galileo was treated. In regard to ID/Creationism/Religion v Science generally, I'd happily bet that nothing new has been added in the last 5-10 years, it is *all* old stuff revisited. Anyway, as previously pointed out to you, reading these threads is not compulsory and, if you don't think they are worthwhile fare for TO, you could always post something else yourself. > >> given before. I suppose that's better than mindless trolls from J*** >> enablers, but not by much. >> >Mindlessness is in the eye of the beholder. > >JTEM's "debating style" is quite off-putting. Looks like he has troubles and projects them on anyone responding. > >At least David Dalton is out to improve the world, in his own curious way. > >And I imagine I'm just seen as sniping from the sidelines. >Not much new to see here, move along. > >US Electoral troubles are behind us; it's now all about the fallout (I hope not literally). </gloom>