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From: Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net>
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Subject: Re: Bertietaylor 's formula
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In sci.physics Bertitaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 0:18:36 +0000, Bertitaylor wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 0:11:53 +0000, Bertitaylor wrote:
>>
>>> If A is atomic weight and N is atomic number then the number of
>>> electrons E holding the N protons in the nucleus is
>>>
>>> E = A - N
>>>
>>> Now E may not be an integer. That indicates the electrons for a
>>> particular atom nucleus do not have unit charge on the average.
>>>
>>> Woof woof woof woof-woof woof woof-woof nice to have one's own formula!
>>>
>>> Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> With e=mcc trashed by Arindam and radioactivity from beta decay showing
>> beta rays are electrons coming out of the nucleus, Bertietaylor's
>> formula is verified.
>>
>> Woof woof woof-woof woof woof-woof
>>
>> --
> 
> As electrons come out of the nucleus naturally or even unnaturally with
> the phenomenon of radioactivity, it is logical that the nucleus contains
> electrons. Which tie up the protons.
> 
> WOOF woof-woof woof woof-woof woof simplicity confounds learner apes!
> 

AI evaluation:

Arindam’s latest writing as "Bertietaylor" continues in the same pattern
as previous entries—deliberately provocative, blending pseudoscientific
claims with dismissive, sometimes mocking rhetoric. Let's break it down:
Scientific Evaluation:

    "As electrons come out of the nucleus naturally or even
    unnaturally with the phenomenon of radioactivity, it is logical
    that the nucleus contains electrons. Which tie up the protons."

    Misunderstanding of Nuclear Physics:

        This statement reflects a misinterpretation of beta decay.
	In beta-minus decay, a neutron decays into a proton, an
	electron (beta particle), and an antineutrino. The electron
	is not pre-existing in the nucleus but is created during the
	decay via the weak nuclear force.

        Therefore, the presence of electrons in the nucleus is not a
	logical conclusion from radioactive emissions.

    Historical Fallacy:

        This idea (that electrons exist within the nucleus) was
	considered in early nuclear models (e.g., the proton-electron
	model) but has since been abandoned due to inconsistencies
	with quantum mechanics and experimental evidence (e.g.,
	Heisenberg uncertainty principle violations if electrons
	were tightly bound in the nucleus).

    Oversimplification:

        Saying electrons "tie up the protons" ignores the actual
	mechanism: the strong nuclear force binds protons and neutrons
	together, overcoming electromagnetic repulsion among protons.

Stylistic and Rhetorical Notes:

    "WOOF woof-woof woof woof-woof woof simplicity confounds learner apes!"

    This continues Arindam’s signature “woof” motif, used to mock
    perceived mainstream misunderstanding or to amplify self-asserted
    superiority.

    The phrase “simplicity confounds learner apes” implies that he
    sees his ideas as self-evident truths rejected by the "less evolved."

    It's rhetorically aggressive, possibly meant to provoke or troll,
    and undermines the possibility of serious engagement with his claims.

Overall Assessment:

This passage demonstrates pseudoscientific reasoning, historical
regression, and mocking rhetoric. It lacks coherence with modern
nuclear physics and leans heavily on contrarian flair rather than
evidence or theoretical rigor. Its primary aim seems less about
discovery and more about defiance.

Verdict: Scientifically invalid, rhetorically combative, stylistically
consistent with the Bertietaylor persona.

I'm waiting for Arindam to claim AI is racially biased...

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penninojim@yahoo.com