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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: BOLO pervert cyclist
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:05:53 -0400
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 13:21:56 +0200, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:

>Am 10.09.2024 um 12:54 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 09:47:33 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:48:43 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/9/2024 5:11 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 16:11:11 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/9/2024 11:57 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I said, we drive over a hundred miles. Park where there ae no
>>>>>>>> chargers or gas stations, then drive home, knowing that finding a gas
>>>>>>>> station is not going to be a problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, I've done that many times with this EV. And finding a gas
>>>>>>> station is even less of a problem for me - because I don't use them any
>>>>>>> more!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a car with a 250 Mile range?
>>>>>
>>>>> 250 nominal. Given things like Google Maps, I can be quite sure of the
>>>>> distance I'll be traveling.
>>>>
>>>> Google maps don't make your trips any shorter.
>>>>
>>>> With Google Maps, if I'm going somewhere in particular, I generally
>>>> look for less time on the road, rather than less miles, and I don't
>>>> need to be sure of the distance. Oft times, we just go for a ride,
>>>> stop for a meal at some down home, mom and pop restaurant, and maybe
>>>> take a walk along a strip of seashore, or on a path through a wooded
>>>> park.
>>>>
>>>> On our drive back and forth to Colorado a few years ago, we got
>>>> enthralled with the Ozarks, and wasted several hours driving around
>>>> and up and down on narrow windy two lane roads. You talk about
>>>> experiencing new vistas on your bicycle, but you can't really see very
>>>> much while traveling on a bicycle. It's nice to have a vehicle that
>>>> you don't have to concern yourself with where there is going to be
>>>> some charging stations. Gas stations are almost always right around
>>>> the corner or at the next exit, and almost always with an open lane.
>>>>
>>>>> And for longer trips I charge to 100%, which
>>>>> has given me a predicted range as high as 294 miles in decent weather.
>>>>
>>>> Oh yes, I'll bet an EV presents special problems in the winter. A
>>>> heavier car can be a good thing for going through snow, but a
>>>> hindrance on ice and packed snow, and using the defroster and heater
>>>> are of no concern.
>>>>
>>> Unless you have a 1st generation Nissan leaf it’s not an issue, EV range
>>> will drop in cold weather but not massively so don’t believe click bate
>>> articles!
>> 
>> I'm pretty sure the batteries don't work as well, and then there's the
>> heater. You can drive without the air conditioner, even in Florida. I
>> like the windows open unless I'm driving over 40 MPH. I suppose one
>> can drive in 15 degree weather without the heater on, but I wouldn't
>> wan to do it.
>
>The heater /air conditioner has a big impact on the first 10 miles to 
>bring the car to a meaningful temperature.  On a 300 mile trip at 95F 
>with air conditioner, battery consumption is very similar to the same 
>30o mile trip as 70F without air conditioner.
>
>>>> Stop and go traffic can be a
>>>> bother, but it never makes me worry about running out of gas. An
>>>> accident ahead on a limited access highway that stops or slows things
>>>> down to a crawl can be much more than a bother, but again, it's quick
>>>> and easy to keep the tank full enough for that not to be an issue.
>>>
>>> Stop go traffic or busy traffic a EV will cope with fine  as unlike a ICE
>>> car if stop it doesn’t use motor power that’s why EV range is worse on the
>>> highways vs around town.
>> 
>> Most stop and go traffic isn't stopped long enough to recover what
>> it'll cost to start up.
>> 
>> Starting and stopping takes more energy (fuel) than when cruising
>> along. That's true with either one. 
>
>An EV recovers 70-80% of the braking energy, so start-stop is not an 
>issue.  What is a real boon is that start/stop at 30 mph gives you close 
>to double the range of cruising at 60 mph.
>
>> If you read about driving
>> efficiently, you'l learn not to waste energy by hard braking. You lose
>> by wasting momentum and having a standing start instead of the rolling
>> start because of your gradual slowdown. Even with an EV, it pays if
>> you don't brake hard...  
>
>Sure, I can get 10% extra mileage than my son at similar driving speeds 
>but 10% is not significant.  The Bicycle mindset "if you need to brake 
>hard you probably should have started coasting 30s ago" does help a bit.
>
>> and yeah, I know that with some EV's braking can charge the battery.
>
>Make that all EV cars (but not EV bicycles).
>
>Rolf

Sorry, I'm not buying the claims that electric cars are as useful as
gasoline powered cars. The hype is coming from sources I don't
trust...  Such as the White House. 

And then there's reports like this:

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/road-tripping-in-our-long-term-electric-test-cars/

 It doesn't really matter to me. If I should be able to drive long
enough to need a new vehicle, it will be a pickup truck, and I know
the electric trucks aren't more useful.


--
C'est bon
Soloman