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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2025 16:53:38 -0400
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On Wed, 2 Apr 2025 16:03:43 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 4/2/2025 2:41 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 4/2/2025 1:07 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>> On 4/2/2025 12:56 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 4/1/2025 3:14 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>> On 3/27/2025 7:07 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-) Such confidence! I note that you haven't addressed the relative 
>>>>>> frequency of TBI shown in the big pie chart at
>>>>>> https://how-sen.com/journal/2014/2/bike-helmets
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or maybe you haven't seen data like in
>>>>>> https://www.internationalbrain.org/resources/brain-injury-facts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which states "United States Annually: 50,000 people die" [of TBI] . 
>>>>>> But fewer than 500 are bicyclists.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did address it, I stated that the numbers were relevant to my point.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And "Causes of Traumatic Brain Injury :    Motor Vehicle Crashes 
>>>>>> account for 50% of all TBIs. This includes autos, trucks, 
>>>>>> motorcycles, bicycles, and pedestrians hit by vehicles.
>>>>>>      The leading causes of TBI vary by age: falls are the leading 
>>>>>> cause of TBI among persons aged 65 years and older; transportation 
>>>>>> is the leading cause of TBI among persons under the age of 65 years.
>>>>>>      Estimates suggest that sports related brain injury accounts 
>>>>>> for close to 300,000 injuries each year, with winter sports such as 
>>>>>> skiing and ice-skating accounting for close to 20,000 brain 
>>>>>> injuries. (7) "
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, bicycling is barely mentioned, and is justifiably given no 
>>>>>> more prominence than autos, inside which far more incidents of TBI 
>>>>>> occur.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't really fault you for having believed that bicycling is an 
>>>>>> unusual and  horrible risk for TBI. After all, the propaganda 
>>>>>> machine has been in high gear for decades. But it's now time for 
>>>>>> you to educate yourself and put things in the proper perspective.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I _do_ fault you for repeatedly mischaracterizing my position.
>>>>> At no time did I state our otherwise imply that "bicycling is an
>>>>>   unusual and  horrible risk for TBI. I stated this unequivocally 
>>>>> several times already.
>>>>> But now it's time for you to stop building strawmen and try arguing 
>>>>> objectively rather than emotionally.
>>>>
>>>> Zen, you have not precisely said "Bicycling is such an unusual risk 
>>>> for TBI that you should always wear a helmet when you ride."
>>>>
>>>> But you _did_ confess that you regularly tell people that if they are 
>>>> going to ride on roads - normal roads! - they should always wear a 
>>>> helmet. 
>>>
>>> Why do you always seem surprised about normal roads?
>>>
>>>> As far as we know, you have not said the same to pedestrians or 
>>>> motorists, to skateboarders or scooter riders or joggers. That alone 
>>>> is strong indication that you're treating bicycling as unusual.
>>>
>>> I tell my grandchildren they can't roller skate, skateboard, or ride 
>>> their scooters without a helmet while under my care.
>> 
>> Really!
>> 
>> Do you let them run without a helmet? Say, playing tag?
>
>yup

+1
I smell the burning straw.

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C'est bon
Soloman