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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.xcski.com!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Vincent Maycock <maycock@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: West Virginia creationism Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2024 11:04:15 -0700 Organization: University of Ediacara Lines: 54 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <musi1jhm09745v4es6ca1pbc4nmogs42ck@4ax.com> References: <cBYNN.132676$GX69.32667@fx46.iad> <66ad07ee-b140-4518-a9df-bffa316b7391@gmail.com> <9OZNN.758376$p%Mb.330094@fx15.iad> <f43i0jh8u89nlndn5137sfa0uo7b0isoik@4ax.com> <8a_ON.491226$yEgf.384550@fx09.iad> <gdop0jt4mvqljioufv7stmefniid401svh@4ax.com> <CvnRN.140988$6ePe.119511@fx42.iad> <rcpd1jtljvngh3g3s7455lun0ukjlrqoeb@4ax.com> <2VYRN.256204$hN14.193303@fx17.iad> <4fch1jpp5qtolug4bj158sl9tvn8h7htp9@4ax.com> <ZudSN.257840$hN14.25285@fx17.iad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="2636"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Return-Path: <poster@giganews.com> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 072A622976C; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 14:05:19 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2C73229758 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 14:05:16 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.97) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtp (envelope-from <poster@giganews.com>) id 1rvLHD-00000000KhW-0Pln; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 20:05:27 +0200 by egress-mx.phmgmt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2658D61146 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 18:03:58 +0000 (UTC) by serv-1.ord.giganews.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1487440664 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 13:04:16 -0500 (CDT) by serv-1.i.ord.giganews.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id 43CI4GU8090163; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 13:04:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: serv-1.i.ord.giganews.com: news set sender to poster@giganews.com using -f X-Path: nntp.supernews.com!news.supernews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail X-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2024 18:04:16 +0000 X-Original-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html X-DMCA-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 5471 On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 12:41:29 -0400, Ron Dean <rondean-noreply@gmail.com> wrote: <snip> >In the most cases where adaptations and minor evolutionary changes are >observed it's not because new information is added to DNA, but rather >there is a loss of information. > >https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-57694-8 > >Bad mutations seems to be the rule. *Most* mutations are harmful, but to disprove evolution you need to show that *all* mutations are harmful -- those rare beneficial mutations can be selected by and amplified through natural selection, resulting in better-functioning organisms. > The male sperm count is decreasing >with each generation. Each year new and previously unknown genetic >diseases are occurring just in humans. With the passing of time, there >is little doubt that our DNA, our genetics is become increasingly _less_ >perfect. The Homo-sapiens species is believed to have arrived on the >scene 200,000 years ago, given the increases in genetic disorders we >observe today, it's highly _likely_ that the DNA of our early ancestors >were far closer to perfect that any of their decedents. Therefore, from >this evidence one can deduce that the proofreading and repair mechanisms >themselves are in a declining state with each generation becoming a bit >less perfect than the preceding generation. It's possible we saw this in >the extinction of Neanderthal species. > >Beneficial mutations are rarely observed. The defective mutations are >overwhelming the beneficial mutations, as evidenced by the increasing >list of genetic disorders. Perhaps, this explains the 99% extinction >rate of all life forms that ever lived as observed or recorded in the >fossil record, as well as the numbers of the species become extinct >today. of course, human involvement accounts for some of this extinction >such as passenger pigeons, the dodo bird and the Tasmanian tiger. But to >your point the proofreading and repair systems are not perfect. But >without deliberate design how did the proofreading and repair systems >come about in the first place? Obviously, because something that helps something replicate itself better is going to leave more copies of itself in the gene pool . > Of course there is educated, guesses, >suppositions, hypothesis and theories, but no one _knows_. Do you consider your Intelligent Design argument to be an educated guess, or a supposition? And is there anything wrong with being a hypothesis or theory? >question is where is the man holding hold Occam sword? Has he been >barred from entering this room of science?