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Path: ...!news.roellig-ltd.de!open-news-network.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!pasdenom.info!from-devjntp Message-ID: <myUYryqxSTftKUa3owdcVRxGpRA@jntp> JNTP-Route: nemoweb.net JNTP-DataType: Article Subject: Re: Sign and complex. References: <ULTAqmfHo9Brj6bDPiod8KaZGZg@jntp> <vq5b19$1glef$2@dont-email.me> Newsgroups: sci.math JNTP-HashClient: DUUknRy1f4qtOKnzPeVXueyKJUk JNTP-ThreadID: Y1FYIQ1uk8XuWrplMeMb5x067z8 JNTP-Uri: https://www.nemoweb.net/?DataID=myUYryqxSTftKUa3owdcVRxGpRA@jntp User-Agent: Nemo/1.0 JNTP-OriginServer: nemoweb.net Date: Mon, 03 Mar 25 23:10:49 +0000 Organization: Nemoweb JNTP-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/133.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Injection-Info: nemoweb.net; posting-host="0622b338f00df6c7e122ad5f6ee90645acf995aa"; logging-data="2025-03-03T23:10:49Z/9229797"; posting-account="4@nemoweb.net"; mail-complaints-to="julien.arlandis@gmail.com" JNTP-ProtocolVersion: 0.21.1 JNTP-Server: PhpNemoServer/0.94.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-JNTP-JsonNewsGateway: 0.96 From: Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> Bytes: 3261 Lines: 68 Le 03/03/2025 à 23:38, "Chris M. Thomasson" a écrit : > On 3/3/2025 1:37 PM, Richard Hachel wrote: >> Complex numbers and products of different complex signs. >> >> What is a complex number? >> >> It is initially an imaginary number which is a duality. >> >> The two real roots of a quadratic curve, for example, are a duality. >> >> If we find as a root x'=2 and x"=4 we can include these two roots in a >> single expression: Z=3(+/-)i. >> >> Z is this dual number which will split into x'=3+i and x"=3-i. >> >> As in Hachel i^x=-1 whatever x, we have: x'=2 and x"=4. >> >> Be careful with the signs (i=-1). If we add i, we subtract 1. >> >> If we subtract 5i, we add 5. >> >> But let's go further. >> A small problem arises in the products of complexes. >> >> Certainly, if we take complexes of inverse spacings, that is to say >> (+ib) for one and (-ib) for the other, everything will go very well. >> >> Let's set z1=3-i and z2=4+2i. >> >> We have z1*z2=12+6i-4i-2i²=14+2i >> >> Let's set the inverse by permuting the signs of b: >> >> z1=3+i and z2=4-2i. >> >> We have z1*z2=12-6i+4i-2i²=14-2i >> >> We notice that each time, we did: >> Z=(aa')-(bb)+i(ab'+a'b) >> and that it works. >> >> Question: Why does this formula become incorrect for complexes of the >> same sign in b? >> >> Example Z=(3+i)(4+2i) or Z=(3-i)(4-2i) >> >> The formula given by mathematicians is incorrect. >> I am not saying that it does not give a result. >> I am saying that it is incorrect. > > Where would you plot say, 1+.5i on the plane? I would say at 2-ary point > (1, .5), right where x = 1 and y = .5. Say draw a little filled circle > at said coordinates in the 2-ary plane where: > > (+y) > ^ > | > | > | > (-x)<---0--->(+x) > | > | > | > v > (-y) <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?myUYryqxSTftKUa3owdcVRxGpRA@jntp/Data.Media:1> R.H.