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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: BOLO pervert cyclist Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2024 17:28:07 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 119 Message-ID: <n45sdjt7c89t201vsba04q4p6nc8stc683@4ax.com> References: <v26ndj5b4038brf60dhms4jqluln99fcq0@4ax.com> <vbga1p$10phu$6@dont-email.me> <5sindjpqbq0lks6kn3but34lsisqsf0ooo@4ax.com> <vbhq2m$1dkbr$1@dont-email.me> <vbhqdj$1dnp0$2@dont-email.me> <vbi2vi$1ev12$1@dont-email.me> <h9tpdj5rb1pkdq4mn4stg17jps7br03qkt@4ax.com> <vbj38n$1pico$1@dont-email.me> <rkuqdjdtq8b0e6fjspblnontscrgv5c9p0@4ax.com> <93kDO.172531$hKDf.156227@fx07.ams4> <o5ordjhom5hp8v67g4i4oard8179631r91@4ax.com> <pcoDO.488782$v0Jd.455216@fx06.ams4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2024 23:28:11 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="23d9e1327a130d255c16c4d791b04d4b"; logging-data="2178921"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Tm1rJ6aMZDsyUVwGQXCfkmofkGa//+1o=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:4Ga7bqk1QzNzS4vpA2zQ1OtYMFo= Bytes: 6519 On Sun, 08 Sep 2024 20:56:53 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >> On Sun, 08 Sep 2024 16:13:57 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>> On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 22:47:51 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 9/7/2024 9:03 PM, John B. wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 13:36:49 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/7/2024 11:10 AM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>> On 9/7/2024 10:04 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Auto crash fatalities are a regrettable side effect of the use of cars >>>>>>>>> for transportation. And cars are so beneficial for transportation that >>>>>>>>> American society would cease to function if cars could not be used. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mass murders in schools are a regrettable side effect of the worship >>>>>>>>> of guns, especially AR-style rifles, the weapon of choice for such >>>>>>>>> murders. And I'll note that you have _still_ never managed to state a >>>>>>>>> practical societal benefit of ARs in public possession. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Unlike cars, if ARs could not be used, America would be better off by >>>>>>>>> far. Just the tax savings from not having to "harden" public schools >>>>>>>>> would be worth the change. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Or to summarize yet again: Benefits vs. detriments, John! A concept >>>>>>>>> that absolutely baffles you! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By that logic, are fatal car crashes by Ford Fiesta or Prius drivers >>>>>>>> less tragic than those by scary black pickups? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We could certainly talk about advantages vs. disadvantages of huge >>>>>>> pickup trucks and other similar vehicles. Books have been written on >>>>>>> that topic. >>>>>> >>>>>> Like >>>>>> https://www.truckaddons.com/pros-and-cons-of-owning-a-pickup/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Notice I provide a reference, you don't. >>>>> >>>>> https://slate.com/business/2022/02/suvs-pickups-heavy-huge-deadly-dont-buy-em.html >>>>> >>>>> or >>>>> https://reason.com/2024/02/02/why-are-pickup-trucks-ridiculously-huge-blame-government/ >>>>> >>>>> "... critics aren't entirely wrong to point out the ill effects of >>>>> mega-truck proliferation?or the oddity of using a 6,500-pound, >>>>> 22-foot-long vehicle mainly as a grocery-getter. Pedestrian deaths have >>>>> reached 40-year highs and the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety >>>>> research shows that as trucks and SUVs have gotten taller and heavier, >>>>> they likewise have posed greater risks to those outside the vehicle." >>>>> >>>>> I have no problem with compact pickup trucks, just as I have no problem >>>>> with what were always considered normal and legitimate hunting rifles. >>>>> But bloated, oversized modern pickup trucks are a close parallel to >>>>> AR-style guns. They are bought mostly to raise the owners' testosterone >>>>> level, by providing capabilities that are essentially never needed. And >>>>> the detriments are externalities, imposed on others who get none of the >>>>> minuscule benefits. >>>> >>>> I susppect that way down deep Krygowski is jealous of the people who >>>> drive big pickup trucks... >>>> >>>> -- >>>> C'est bon >>>> Soloman >>>> >>> >>> I?d be frankly staggered if he was, such vehicles used as they are ie >>> attempted status symbols see the Tesla Truck for in someways the pinnacle >>> of such stuff. >>> >>> Roger Merriman >> >> I don't think that Tesla truck is a status thing. If someone gave me >> one I'd trade it on something more practical before anyone knew I had >> it and that I'd been dumb enough to buy it. Same with an electric car >> or bicycle. > >It very much is a status symbol and arguably the worst of Tesla ie Musk >seems to have had way too much influence with this over other Teslas. > >If one really wants to and I’d suggest not! whole loads of influencers with >their Tesla truck, all over the socials, it appears to be at best mediocre >off road, most of the tracks showing how good it is, look easily driven by >a French farmer in a Citroen! > >And yes in comparison to the F150 EV Ford apparently knowing their >customers has all the stuff that folks do with pickup trucks or at least >aspire to do so, but either way beyond being a EV it’s a pickup truck >though Riven and other startups don’t seem to have made same mistakes as >Tesla ie extending testing a prototype to do what it’s claimed to do. > >> >> -- >> C'est bon >> Soloman >> >Roger Merriman > Electric trucks, pickups or 18 wheelers, are even more ridiculous than electric bicycles. I can understand someone having electric car if all they do is make short trips and have charging capability at their home. I once saw Tesla (they're the only ones that stand out) here in Florida with New York plates, and I wondered how much falderal the trip required. (falderal as in checking ahead and changing plans to get to a charging station at the right time.) -- C'est bon Soloman