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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Vincent Maycock <maycock@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: West Virginia creationism Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2024 13:58:35 -0700 Organization: University of Ediacara Lines: 43 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <n7jd2j1lamelgiq69tvlih4mh708alb8d7@4ax.com> References: <gdop0jt4mvqljioufv7stmefniid401svh@4ax.com> <CvnRN.140988$6ePe.119511@fx42.iad> <rcpd1jtljvngh3g3s7455lun0ukjlrqoeb@4ax.com> <2VYRN.256204$hN14.193303@fx17.iad> <4fch1jpp5qtolug4bj158sl9tvn8h7htp9@4ax.com> <ZudSN.257840$hN14.25285@fx17.iad> <folk1jhbg7o63c0spnibf1j72jeb6tcllc@4ax.com> <RUISN.631461$Ama9.561968@fx12.iad> <lafv1jp2fv47for3jusorqcmncfk1d9142@4ax.com> <IA3UN.953$9pR2.722@fx13.iad> <dsbc2jhon7ontdokugvdfg6tedrqnkntq4@4ax.com> <%AzVN.19359$8tL7.11884@fx09.iad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="4771"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Return-Path: <poster@giganews.com> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 2063822976C; Mon, 22 Apr 2024 16:58:12 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF47229758 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Mon, 22 Apr 2024 16:58:09 -0400 (EDT) id 1DFC45DC2C; Mon, 22 Apr 2024 20:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FC85DC29 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 22 Apr 2024 20:58:31 +0000 (UTC) by egress-mx.phmgmt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E91C612C9 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 22 Apr 2024 20:58:05 +0000 (UTC) by serv-4.ord.giganews.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE85440456 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 22 Apr 2024 15:58:30 -0500 (CDT) by serv-4.i.ord.giganews.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id 43MKwTGH008565; Mon, 22 Apr 2024 15:58:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: serv-4.i.ord.giganews.com: news set sender to poster@giganews.com using -f X-Path: nntp.supernews.com!news.supernews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail X-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2024 20:58:29 +0000 X-Original-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html X-DMCA-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4570 On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 16:16:59 -0400, Ron Dean <rondean-noreply@gmail.com> wrote: >Martin Harran wrote: >> On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 03:03:03 -0400, Ron Dean [...] >>> From then, each succeeding generation the >>> deleterious mutations multiplied. I think possibly the proofreading and >>> repair, which was an elegantly and highly sophisticated design set up >>> for the best results, but over the vast spans of time even the P&R >>> mechanisms, which initially were perfect, but with the passage of time >>> even the P&R became less perfect due to bad mutations that slipped >>> passed the P&R mechanisms, consequent the P&R systems were affected. The >>> results we see today. >> >> Again, I wish you would dress my actual question - where does your >> intelligent designer fit into that process? > > >It seems that after the task was completed it said "It is done". Why do you think that happened? >left things with the capacity and ability to take care of itself. And how did that turn out for him, given the pervasiveness of extinction? > It >seems that the designer left the scene. Over time and the 2ND law >everything enters into downward tends, copying errors occur, things tend >to disintegrate and inevitably things move towards dissolution and >decay. If you believe the Designer is God, perhaps you could fill us in on what we should expect to see if that designer was responsible for life's diversity. What should we be looking for to prove or disprove your "hypothesis"? >I had some beautiful pine trees in my >acreage. But a patch died, collapsed and are in a process of decay. This >is typical. The same will >happen to our bodies. >>