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On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 08:23:17 -0700, Arthur Lipscomb
<arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

>On 3/26/2024 12:41 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>> On 3/25/2024 8:50 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 3 Body Problem (Netflix) I binged through the rest of the series about a
>>>>> pending alien invasion of Earth.  SPOILERS!
>>>>
>>>> I powered through the entire Netflix series. I looked at the original
>>>> Chinese series on the Amazon prime, but there’s no English audio and it’s
>>>> way too much to read. I did read Ian‘s Wikipedia articles about all three
>>>> series (one unreleased), and the plots and history of the three books, the
>>>> first of which forms the basis for the various filmed projects.
>>>>
>>>> Also, it was recommended to me by our old friend Ob Veeus who is enamored
>>>> of the “stunning redhead“ who appears in a later episode. Sometimes I think
>>>> Ob Veeus and Ian are the same person.  Apologies to you both.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Spoiler Space
>>>>> P
>>>>> O
>>>>> I
>>>>> L
>>>>> E
>>>>> R
>>>>>
>>>>> S
>>>>> P
>>>>> A
>>>>> C
>>>>> E
>>>>>
>>>>> "Judgment Day"  Episode 5 - In the present day Jonathan Pryce is a
>>>>> billionaire on Earth who has known about the alien invasion since the
>>>>> 70s and has been working to make to make it happen.  He is in direct
>>>>> communication with them and reads them stories and answers their
>>>>> questions.  Then one day during a story he explains to the aliens that
>>>>> the stories are just made up, not real.  The aliens are confused at
>>>>> first because they don't have that concept in their culture.  Once Pryce
>>>>> explains the concept of fiction/deception to the aliens they say, "A
>>>>> liar is someone who cannot be trusted.  We cannot coexist with liars.
>>>>> We are afraid of you." Then they cut off communication. They also stop
>>>>> protecting their human allies.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, they were already on their way to conquer us, so I’m not really
>>>> sure this makes a big difference.

Whether they were coming to conquer us or not doesn't really matter if
they were that far ahead of us. Though they point out another reason
they are afraid of us having to do with time and advancement over
time.

>>>>
>>>
>>> I think those humans were planning on cashing in on being the first to
>>> welcome their new overlords.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lcUHQYhPTE

Oh I'm sure they were hoping to follow Satan, I mean, Our Lord, and
reap the benefits. 

>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile Benedict Wong and his people are actually really good at what
>>>>> they do, and now aware an alien invasion will arrive at Earth in 400
>>>>> years, and are making plans to deal with it.  As his boss (Liam
>>>>> Cunningham) says,  "We've got 400 years to come up
>>>>> with a plan."
>>>>
>>>> In an earlier episode, when they first said that the star system was four
>>>> light years away (which makes it Alpha Centauri, although oddly, nobody
>>>> ever says that.) they also said the trip would be 100 years. Both of these
>>>> come from the original pilot for the 1964 LOST IN SPACE series. So does the
>>>> idea (in the book, at least) that the erratic orbit of their planet sends
>>>> it from blazing heat to freezing cold every couple of weeks and
>>>> unpredictably. Which is why they want to get the hell out of Dodge.
>>>>
>>>> There’s also a part in the book that I don’t know if they said in the show
>>>> which explains them abandoning their system more clearly. Although it’s
>>>> very definitely stated everywhere that you can’t solve the three body
>>>> problem ever and can’t make any long range predictions about what their
>>>> world will do they in fact have done so and know that sooner or later their
>>>> planet’s going to crash into one of the three suns (it doesn’t say if it
>>>> will be Chip or Ernie). Again why they have to get out of Dodge.

I don't think they ever said that, but it was clear they felt they had
to leave which wouldn't have been necessary if their world was just
going to merrily continue on this journey around the suns. After all
they had a process in place to handle the variations, strange as it
was.


>>>> There seems to be a lot of contradictions between what they say, and what
>>>> we see, along the lines of what you would expect from a dubbed translation.
>>>> For instance, one characters life is saved, because he’s wearing
>>>> bulletproof fatigues, although clearly, the bullet went right through the
>>>> fatigues (they point out the hole) and hit the body armor he was wearing
>>>> underneath it.

I wonder if they were going with the idea that the fatigues were never
intended to fully stop a bullet (this isn't John Wick's world) but
would serve to slow it down enough that the armor underneath could
keep Saul safe.

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> There's a scene where the group trying to stop the alien invasion needs
>>>>> to take out a tanker ship where Pryce and his followers are living.
>>>>> They need to do it in a way that doesn't give them warning or time to
>>>>> destroy any data they might have on board.  And the way they do it is
>>>>> like nothing I've ever seen before.
>>>>
>>>> You need to read more Larry Niven. :-) It’s directly from his various known
>>>> space works.  In Niven’s RINGWORLD, the opponents use the weapon first,
>>>> neatly decapitating one of the protagonists leading to such dialogue as
>>>> “you tied a tourniquet around his neck?“ And “wait a minute! He’s got a
>>>> spare!“

Yeah, the idea of nanowire being used as a trap, especially for
motorcycle riders, has been around for ages. Why they felt the need to
use it in this way I'm unsure of. I guess they felt it would kill
everyone on board before they could destroy the data. But, as you say,
why wouldn't it also destroy the data they wanted?

>>>> Our team then proceeds to take out the other sides entire city! And his
>>>> protagonist suffered the same guilt as the inventor here (who also turns
>>>> out to be the most beautiful woman in the world) does.  I would also like
>>>> to point out that Eiza Gonzalez has turned into a damn fine actress.

I liked her performance even in BLOODSHOT.

>>>>
>>>>>  From my perspective it pretty much
>>>>> destroyed the ship too, so I'm not sure why gas wouldn't have been
>>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>> This is apparently how they did it in the book as well, and it doesn’t make
>>>> any sense in either case. Somehow this destructive method leaves the
>>>> computers so that they can be saved. I have no idea why.

Because the plot said so. Plot armor is always the best form of armor.


>>>> They seem to be afraid that the ship had guards who would push
>>>> self-destruct buttons on their computers, with their literal last breaths.
>>>> But I don’t know why they wouldn’t do that in the case of any kind of
>>>> attack.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That being said, it was a sight to witness as everyone on board
>>>>> started to brutally die having no idea why or how.
>>>>
>>>> This is definitely the visual Highpoint of the series.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> However, humanity's
>>>>> win is brief.  At the end of the episode, the aliens initiate direct
>>>>> communication with Cunningham's character.  And explain to him that in
>>>>> 400 yeas time humanity will be more advance than the aliens and would
>>>>> easily be able to defeat them.  Therefore, they then inform him they
>>>>> have the ability to monitor everything everywhere and they will kneecap
>>>>> humanity and prevent any future development.  They then proceed to
>>>>> broadcast a world wide message on every screen that humans are "bugs"
>>>>> and appear to engulf the planet in a shield.  Roll credits.

Except from what we see the sophon doesn't appear to be kneecapping
much of anything. Sure, they might be acting on specific people but
that's all.

>>>> Yikes!
>>>>
>>>
>>> I know!
>>>
>>>>
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