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Le 11/12/2024 à 08:17, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> W dniu 10.12.2024 o 20:45, Python pisze:
>> Le 10/12/2024 à 20:20, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>> ...
>>>> How do you practically check your "t = t'" equations for clocks 
>>>> standing next to each other?
>>>
>>> I read the numbers they display and I compare them.
>> 
>> Good.
>> 
>>> Then for distant mutually at rest clocks with no
>>>> gravity involved?
>>>
>>> I don't.
>> 
>> Sad. You don't. You can't. We can.
> 
> No you can't either. Sorry, 
> There is a small technical detail: those
> "distant clocks" are not moving wrt each
> other.
> How do you ensure that? By assuming the
> condition a priori;and you can do it because
> you're only applying your procedure
> in your gedanken. Am I incorrect ?

You are. I put two clocks at the extremity of a rod. This is quite 
reasonable to assume they are at rest wrt to each other, isn't it? 

Given that you've once pretended that the cities of Gdansk and Warsaw are 
in relative motion, I'm not sure I'll get a sensible answer here by the 
way :-D

> You're only believing [into] a great
> practical procedure - because your is pumping you with gedanken fairy
> tales where it works fine.

Nope. If such a procedure would fail it could be checked. Checking is part 
of the procedure.

>  > Putting two clocks aside is not quite a delusion.
> 
> It was not about "putting two clocks aside".
> it was about putting them aside in some space
> lacking any gravity and after ensuring (by some
> untold magic) that they're not moving wrt each
> other. Practically - both these  requirements
> are some utter  absurd.

No magic, and if gravity could not be ignored in a given practical setup 
this can be spotted (see below).

As I wrote you can ensure both clock are at rest wrt each other (these 
days is even doing that with satellites, did you hear about recent ESA 
experiment on artificial eclipses ?), just use a rod.

Then apply, in *practice* (a word you know NOTHING about):

1. Check synchronicity
2. If not in sync use the measured values at stop 1 to offset one clock or 
both of them
3. Wait for a while
4. Check again. If the clocks are still in synch then you have shown that 
previous assumptions and that the procedure is consistent

(*) 
https://www.esa.int/Newsroom/Press_Releases/Eclipse-making_double_satellite_Proba-3_enters_orbit

You've written down your signature all over your post. I moved them here:

> poor stinker, moronic, moronic, delusional, poor stinker, idiot, mad religious