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From: john larkin <JL@gct.com>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 07:34:17 -0800
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On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 10:31:26 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

>Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>> On 25/02/2025 6:31 am, john larkin wrote:
>> > On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 12:30:14 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>> > (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>> > 
>> >> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> [...]
>> >>> Bring back horse drawn stages coaches and you can save even more money.
>> >>
>> >> ...and the pollution is bio-degradeable.
>> > 
>> > London was vile when horses did all the heavy work.
>> 
>> And every other large city.
>> 
>> > And before rail transportation, everyone had to live close to work.
>> > Most people walked.
>> 
>> Canals and fast barges weren't a quick as railroads but they were faster
>> than walking and a lot less like hard work than riding.
>
>Rather surprisingly (and not very well known):  one of the biggest
>side-effects of canals was the expansion of London.  It had reached a
>size where the transport of feed for the horses in the centre needed
>much larger numbers of horses coming in from the surrounding farmland.
>Likewise, the horses that removed the dung had to be fed and their dung
>also had to be removed.  This put a limit on how big London could grow.
>
>When canals were built and one horse could tow a 30-tonne boat, the need
>for so many transport horses reduced and the feed and dung could be
>brought in from much further out, so the built-up area could be
>enlarged.

Horse droppings, coal smoke, open sewage ditches, dirty water. Must
have been nasty. And unhealthy.