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In article <2024Dec12.094531@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>,
Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
>albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl writes:
>>You can test gforth easily because there is a separate debian package
>>to attach the ffl library.
>
>Which one?
Who cares. There is a separate package to make it easier to run
ffl in gforth. If I test ffl in gforth that passes.
It is the only test of ffl to pass, so kudos.
It is no use for me, because it doesn't exercise my changes.

>
>> /usr/share/gforth/site-forth/ffl/str.fs:309: Undefined word
>
>The site-forth directory is to allow site administrators to put in
>Forth files.  The Debian packager could put in files in the Debian
>package nevertheless, but certainly in the gforth-0.7.3 package that
>came with Debian 11 and Debian 12, the only file in site-forth is an
>empty siteinit.fs.
>
>My guess is that you installed the ffl at site-forth at some point,
>which is the intended use for site-forth, but probably does not work
>so well with the way that Debian packages are installed.
It does work!
I can retest ffl gforth after uninstalling that extra debian package,
site-forth/ffl. I am pretty sure that I do not consciously install that.

But remember. I have no interest in running the ffl, less so with gforth.
I want to test the ffl stuff after a trivial change (include  --> INCLUDE)
Out of an abundance of prejudice, I tried a test with at least
one other Forth, and it fails.

I think my effort is better spent contributing to Forth.works.project
where a lot of library stuff is going.

>
>>So I push them to https://github.com/uho/ffl
>>and hope it is accepted.
>
>Ulrich Hoffmann is not the maintainer of the ffl AFAIK, so I would not
>expect him to accept the pull request.
My bad. He is the owner, he cloned it, but he has no interest in it?

> The github repo of the
>original author is <https://github.com/irdvo/ffl>, but that says:
>
>| This repository has been archived by the owner on Sep 26, 2021. It is
>| now read-only.
>
>which explains why you cannot submit pull requests to that.
And I didn't even try that. I have read that message too.

>lso of
>interest: <https://github.com/irdvo/ffl/issues/10>, where irdvo
>writes:
>
>|I lost my interest in forth.
>|If you wish, you can fork the project and continue the development.
>
>I don't know if anyone has picked up the baton.  If not, maybe you
>want to.

Certainly not! If ffl is an ongoing concern I am interested in
contributing a ciforth version.

The question remains. Why has Ullrich forked the archive if he
is not planning to do anything with it.

>
>>This git stuff apparently doesn't work this way. You must do a
>>pull request in git. Graphics interface, user friendly, just fill in
>>the form ...  No way.
>
>github is not git.  In particular, git has no pull requests, no
>issues, no web interface, nor lots of other github features, and is
>not owned by Microsoft.
>
>With git (and github), you can push to a repo if you have write access
>to it.  But repo maintainers don't give out write access easily, so
>the usual way with github and similar services is to fork the repo on
>github, push the changes to the forked repo, and then send a pull
>request (aka merge request in gitlab) to the original repo; the
>maintainer can then accept that or reject it.

Okay, I pass, too much work. Instead I'm going to work with the Chinese
ecosystem of free software.

>>Has anybody succeeded in doing a contribution to git, other than
>>to your own archive?
>
>I have submitted
><https://github.com/blackducksoftware/ohcount/pull/44>, and it was
>eventually accepted.

At least that has convinced me that pull request is not an urban myth.

My initial prejudice with ffl is confirmed.

>
>- anton

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