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In article <vfslvv$20cbt$1@dont-email.me>,
Ruvim  <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> wrote:
>When a word list is created with `vocabulary`, it is associated with a
>name, and `order` displays this name in its output.
>
>When a word list is created by `wordlist`, it is not associated with a
>name. Therefore, `order` typically displays a number for that word list,
>which is less informative.
>
>A Forth system might try to find a constant whose value is identical to
>the wid of such word list and display the name of the constant. Do you
>know if this approach is used anywhere?
>
>Some Forth systems technically can associate a name with a word list
>after the word list is created with `wordlist`. And some even provide an
>API for doing so.
>
>Do you know of any Forth systems that technically *cannot* associate a
>name with a word list created with `wordlist` (due to internal details)?

VOCABULARY didn't make it in the standard because conflicts.
Every sane Forth uses VOCABULARY , or in my case NAMESPACE
because I didn't want to make a choice.
[If you load a program and you get the definition of VOCABULARY
incompatible, and you don't notice it, this means a hard to find
bug]

So every sane Forth normally displays the names of namespaces,
(and not the handles you get form GET-ORDER,)
however they are defined via VOCABULARY or NAMESPACE.

However:
Supposed I abuse the data structure wordlist in a lisp implementation.
They are used with SEARCH-WORDLIST and some such, but if they
happens to be present in the search order, it make no sense to
hunt for a name associated with it.

A typical situation is
WORDLIST CONSTANT my-lisp-whatever

Are you going to inspect all constants?
or worse

_ _ class lisp
  M: lisp-words  ALSO @ CONTEXT ! M;  ( wordlist id commaed in ) ,
  M: .... M;   .
  M: whatever ... M;

endclass

Usage :
17 wordlist lisp  my-lisp

>--
>Ruvim
>

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