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On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 07:59:32 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:

>On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>> On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
>>>>> as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
>>>>> fourth, with the headline:
>>>>>
>>>>>      QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
>>>>> TRUMP EXCHANGE
>>>>>
>>>>> (And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
>>>> exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
>>>> You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
>>>> contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
>>>>
>>>> Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
>>>> Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
>>>> how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
>>>>
>>>> Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
>>>> that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
>>>> going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
>>>> case....
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
>>>
>>> I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
>>> relatively normal interview.  That exception was that Baier opened with
>>> -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
>>> I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
>>> leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
>>>
>> 
>> He does owe Trump an apology.  He was rude, ungracious, and
>> unthankful.  It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
>> giving you a ton of money.
>> 
>Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in 
>and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect him 
>to be thankful for that?

Of  course not. Trump planned that attack as an attempt to both
appease Putin and to possibly see Zelensky give in. Though anyone that
had been paying attention would have known that such an attempt to
bully Zelensky would fail. 

Hell, we know it was planned given the press was there. Not the
typical American press, but yet the Russian press made it in. It may
have been planned to give Trump a reason to refuse to give the Ukraine
any further aid. Though given the response from Europe the plan to
make Ukraine give in to Russia's demands may have failed.