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On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 22:49:04 -0500, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 12/4/2024 4:41 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 12/4/24 13:11, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 12/4/2024 10:42 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> BCFD 36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> writes:
>>>>> On 12/3/24 11:17, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>> Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:
>>>>>>> On 12/3/24 08:40, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =A0=A0=A0=A0Actually a lot of statistics around the issue are =
simply=20
>>>>>>> speculative as
>>>>>>> are rumors of crimes done by Transgender people
>>>>>>> in bathrooms belonging to any sex. Criminal men have been free
>>>>>>> to enter women's toilets despite it being a crime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most of it is either political firewood (hatred/division) or
>>>>>> religious nutters pushing their vision of morality on the rest
>>>>>> of the country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back in the 80's, before they remodelled the facilities, one
>>>>>> would routinely find ladies in the men's room at the Hollywood
>>>>>> Bowl (just to avoid the hour-long lines for the few stalls
>>>>>> available in the ladies).=A0 Nobody complained.=A0 Nobody was
>>>>>> arrested.=A0 Nobody tried to make it illegal.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can remember seeing women in the restrooms of several sports =
stadiums
>>>>> e.g. Stanford and Candlestick. I can also remember seeing a whole =
line
>>>>> of men peeing under the railing and down the slope below the =
Stanford
>>>>> stadium when there weren't enough restrooms.
>>>>>
>>>>> No one seemed to care.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unisex lavatories aren't uncommon in Europe and have been
>>>>>> for decades.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Much ado about nothing.=A0 Speak out in public, expect criticism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doxing et. al. is illegal and abhorrent regardless of the target =
or=20
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> reason behind it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OTOH, verbal and written criticism should be expected when any
>>>>>> high-profile individual airs their opinion(s) on a controversial=20
>>>>>> topic.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think the debate about people with Y chromosomes competing
>>>>> against XX people is over yet. Consider that Serena Williams (I =
think)
>>>>> who was #1 in women's tennis said that the #200 man in men's tennis
>>>>> would beat her.
>>>>
>>>> I do remember the Billy Jean King match with Bobby Riggs.
>>>
>>> Bobby Riggs was 26 years older than Billy Jean King so it was not an=20
>>> even match.
>>> =A0=A0=A0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis)
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>>
>>=20
>>  =A0=A0=A0=A0Riggs took the chalenge under the impression that Billy =
Jean
>> would be easy to beat.
>>=20
>>  =A0=A0=A0=A0bliss
>>=20
>
>There's a more recent, and much more relevant example.
>
>Ann Andres is a Canadian transwoman who competes in powerlifting.
>Powerlifting is scored by the total weight lifted a the Squat
>Bench Press, and Deadlift.
>
>She transitioned fully 20 years ago. She doesn't have any
>more testosterone than an average woman, and has been that
>way for a long time.
>
>At the August 2023 CPU Western Canadian Championship, her combined
>weight lifted was 597.5 kg. The second place SuJan Gill, lifted
>387.5 kg. Ann set a new Canadian Woman's record (for her weight
>class). At that match, she outlifted the second place contender by 54%.
>
>For the top weight class, The male powerlift record is 1042 kg,
>and the female 599 kg. Ann isn't in the top weight class, but
>came close to beating the Woman's World Record.
>
>https://fitnessvolt.com/transgender-powerlifter-anne-andres-multiple-wom=
ens-national-world-record/
>
>In some sports, if you let transwomen compete against
>biological women, then only transwomen would be left at the top.
>
>Going through puberty with male hormones creates changes to a
>person's skeleton that will last them the rest of their life,
>even if the hormones are removed.
>
>Unlike some others here, I'm happy to let transwomen and
>transmen do their thing. It doesn't hurt or threaten me.
>
>But in certain areas, transwomen are simply not on a
>level playing field with biological women, and I don't
>think they should compete with them.

Hence my suggestion that we let them compete ... with each other.

This would, of course, be more practical with individual sports than
with team sports.
=20
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Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"