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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 08:47:06 -0400
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 07:41:15 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 3/27/2025 5:10 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 16:54:11 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 03:41:46 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 09:48:09 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 26 Mar 2025 09:54:32 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/25/2025 10:11 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/25/2025 12:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/25/2025 11:02 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am 25.03.2025 um 16:53 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 11:11:14 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/25/2025 4:19 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 21:20:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bicycling has never been a major source of serious traumatic brain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> injury (TBI). On a nationwide basis, bicycling's contribution to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counts is low enough to be off most "causes" charts. Bicycling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> causes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fewer then 1% of U.S. TBI deaths, far fewer than pedestrian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far fewer on a "per mile" basis. And historic data over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite clearly that bicycle helmets are not preventing either
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fatalities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or concussions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Impossible to document that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong, as usual.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7025438/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-35728-x
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/2021/New-CDC- Report-
>>>>>>>>>>> Finds-More-Adults-Are-Dying-from-Bicycle-Related- Accidents-CPSC-
>>>>>>>>>>> Says-it-Highlights-the-Importance-of-Helmets
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nsc.org/safety-first/bicycle-safety- statistics-may-
>>>>>>>>>>> surprise-you? srsltid=AfmBOoq4LC_IGLItTnDBXBm4Yu6K20nqSHjsZbqpkk-
>>>>>>>>>>> jQ2y4Y1J7hfbf
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://biausa.org/public-affairs/media/keep-your-brain- safe-
>>>>>>>>>>> while- biking
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/3/
>>>>>>>>>>> e2022058878/188764/Helmet-Use-in-Preventing-Head- Injuries-in?
>>>>>>>>>>> autologincheck=redirected
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> These all contradict Frank, but that isn't the point of this message.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The point of this message is to point out, once again, your
>>>>>>>>>>> unsubstantiated conclusions rooted in willful ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How one would go about proving that bicycle helmets are not preventing
>>>>>>>>>> either fatalities or concussions?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Statistical accident analysis, just like it was possible to show the
>>>>>>>>> use of seat belts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which is valid for groups and more accurate on the probabilities for
>>>>>>>> larger groups and/or for greater frequency incidents.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, as noted here often, any given individual in any given incident
>>>>>>>> can fall anywhere along those curves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll agree with that last statement, with some reservations. But I'll
>>>>>>> point out that the helmet propaganda tends to say that _anyone_ is at
>>>>>>> risk of death or worse if they _ever_ ride without a helmet. Example:
>>>>>>> "You can fall over in your driveway and die."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never seen any literature as alarmist as that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank has number of times, mentioned this
>>>>> "I'll point out that the helmet propaganda tends to say that _anyone_
>>>>> is at risk of death or worse if they _ever_ ride without a helmet.".
>>>>>
>>>>> Admittedly I don't spend my time reading helmet advertisements but
>>>>> I've never come across this. Perhaps Frank could post a number of
>>>>> references so we all can be aware of that these evil minded scoundrels
>>>>> are doing.
>>>>
>>>> Krygowski can't argue the facts, he has to make up ridiculous childish
>>>> strawmen to attack. As usual, he goes on and on as if he had something
>>>> important to say.
>>>>
>>>> Junior (Zen) has pretty much whipped Frank now so he has changed to
>>>> his secondary tactic. He changes the subject and demands that Junior
>>>> explain why he's promoting helmets, which, near as I can see, is not,
>>>> at all, what Junior is doing.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be more interested in why Krygowski is trying to convince people
>>>> not to wear helmets. It's really no skin off his nose if some people
>>>> choose to wear them.
>>>
>>> Well... its no skin off anyone's back whether you pray to "The God of
>>> Abraham" and call him "Allah", or "Yahweh", or "Jehovah" but the
>>> adherents have spent nearly as many years killing each other "in the
>>> name of God" as they have spent praying.
>>>
>>> Thus, I suspect, that no matter of any proof to the contrary Frankie
>>> will go on demanding that "his way" is the "only way" and all should
>>> adhere to his beliefs.
>> 
>> Humans fight over the stupidest, nonsensical things. Look at the
>> morons in the US Congress wanting to "censor" (whatever that means)
>> over one of them referring to a guy in a wheel chair as "hot wheels."
>> 
>> We pay those jackasses for that?
>> 
>> --
>> C'est bon
>> Soloman
>
>+1
>
>Since Texas doesn't have term limits, that video of Rep 
>Crocker (Texas 30th) is Mr Abbott's ready-made 2028 campaign 
>ad.  With any luck, she will make an ass of herself more 
>between now and then.

Indeed. I say "let her talk."

--
C'est bon
Soloman