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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!usenet.goja.nl.eu.org!pasdenom.info!from-devjntp Message-ID: <o63FO6ufY9csAokzvXMpjto87yU@jntp> JNTP-Route: news2.nemoweb.net JNTP-DataType: Article Subject: Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage References: <v9q6eu$1tlm9$1@dont-email.me> <liduroFtbroU2@mid.individual.net> <vah9hs$2c43u$1@dont-email.me> <lj56luFe0luU3@mid.individual.net> <M4vxPZKxPU6U7NDCGNWCGCM0lRc@jntp> <ljahm9F9dfdU2@mid.individual.net> <vapd5l$3tffr$1@dont-email.me> <ljd51mFl74gU4@mid.individual.net> <vas655$e2la$2@dont-email.me> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity JNTP-HashClient: 1wyeQ1Y2kpuxu_jHF9PXlK7rgMA JNTP-ThreadID: v9q6eu$1tlm9$1@dont-email.me JNTP-Uri: http://news2.nemoweb.net/?DataID=o63FO6ufY9csAokzvXMpjto87yU@jntp User-Agent: Nemo/0.999a JNTP-OriginServer: news2.nemoweb.net Date: Fri, 30 Aug 24 10:38:09 +0000 Organization: Nemoweb JNTP-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/128.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Injection-Info: news2.nemoweb.net; posting-host="e8cbf2474b472b9bb79db3dccb6a856bc1d05409"; logging-data="2024-08-30T10:38:09Z/9005755"; posting-account="4@news2.nemoweb.net"; mail-complaints-to="julien.arlandis@gmail.com" JNTP-ProtocolVersion: 0.21.1 JNTP-Server: PhpNemoServer/0.94.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-JNTP-JsonNewsGateway: 0.96 From: Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> Bytes: 3079 Lines: 36 Le 30/08/2024 à 12:16, Python a écrit : > I.1. > > Paragraph I.1. describes a procedure that looks non symmetric at > first sight: clocks A and B are not treated exactly the same way > (two measures for A, one for B for instance), nevertheless at the > end of the day one can *prove* that the results are symmetric and > that inverting A and B would lead to the same result. Your thing looks like Scientology. It's not by constantly repeating the same blunder that it becomes a truth. There is a symmetry, and a reciprocity in relativistic physics (there is no ether, no privileged frame of reference, and no privileged point either, the reciprocity of effects is total). But you confuse the forward speed of light, and the return speed of light. You think that reciprocity and symmetry are there. That light moves at the same speed for A as for B regardless of the direction of approach or flight. This is forgetting the notion of anisochrony, which Einstein sweeps in front of his door, without even glancing at it. The reciprocity is that it flees A in the same way that on the way back it flees B, then it approaches A in the same way that on the way out it approached B. But to affirm that the speed is the same in both directions is false. It is only partially true for an observer placed far away, and on a perpendicular. Perpendicular which will change angle by change of reference frame (Lorentz transformations). R.H.