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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: gun carrry on bikes Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:44:16 +0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 144 Message-ID: <o9bcejpic6a9c59v0dfksmilfpadfu72eo@4ax.com> References: <vc029e$gjs6$3@dont-email.me> <vc065r$l0sd$3@dont-email.me> <vc1d41$scvq$2@dont-email.me> <TVWEO.203902$kpic.201042@fx15.ams4> <vc1f53$ssl8$1@dont-email.me> <jL_EO.385225$grz1.291350@fx03.ams4> <vc1urd$vige$2@dont-email.me> <1r%EO.304287$kpic.194284@fx15.ams4> <7g19ejd7f87rbnjhp7o81fm27vb7v5vv07@4ax.com> <HG0FO.731584$azJ4.425506@fx16.ams4> <l269ejl2qv33b902c7f1lir48biu8d6rl7@4ax.com> <BacFO.733442$azJ4.36608@fx16.ams4> <vc45tj$1gaju$5@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 02:44:20 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3fd1207b72c7326ed738b81ad602709e"; logging-data="1865984"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18ZCVtEiyf6zH5eicIOK12uYKGTqmCf5TM=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.10.32.1212 Cancel-Lock: sha1:RRgAq8vZIVQcnKhF8VS/NJbdEgs= Bytes: 7426 On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 09:17:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >On 9/14/2024 3:53 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:48:55 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:23:57 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>> On 9/13/2024 12:37 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 9/13/2024 8:15 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 8:57 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 8:50 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 6:45 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 5:40 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 16:13:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Understood. Your near-default point is "Everyone's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision is correct." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My frequent point is "You don't need to go to extremes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be safe, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially on a bike." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My frequent point is that safe is a subjective evaluation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel safe on a bicycle sidepath, you don't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You feel safe on a bicycle sidepath only if you've got a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> handgun ready to draw and fire within a second or two. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. Suits his situation, in his personal evaluation. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As always, when seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>> away. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "His situation" is shared by many other path users. I'm >>>>>>>>>>>> betting he's the only one so afraid as to never ride without >>>>>>>>>>>> his gun. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe not for those previously mugged. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There seems to be lack of equipment to carry a gun on a bike, and indeed >>>>>>>>>> it?s not mentioned by American YouTubers and so on. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It appears not to be sold which suggests doesn?t really have a market, and >>>>>>>>>> you can buy all sorts of cycling accessories for you phone and so on. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let alone that from how he described it, it?s a nice pleasurable place to >>>>>>>>>> ride. Doesn?t sound risky or deprived which often are linked for well >>>>>>>>>> reasons. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That he wants to and so on, well that?s his choice and so on but doesn?t >>>>>>>>>> sound like he rides in a risky area. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Easily fabricated as Mr Tricycle has or just one click on >>>>>>>>> Amazon: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/bikase-gunkase-motorcycle-subcompact-handguns/dp/b0839m7t3y >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'll bet you £1 that your local London area shop doesn't >>>>>>>>> stock them. Different market entirely. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I admire his initiative and effort to do so but that?s kinda of the point, >>>>>>>> I suspect that your bike shop and one?s local to Him would also not stock >>>>>>>> them or similar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As it?s just not a thing for most cyclists after all if it was be more than >>>>>>>> random Amazon bits. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We stock it and sell them occasionally. Less than inner >>>>>>> tubes, but some. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That I?m mildly surprised by, though I?m still unconvinced it?s common or >>>>>> more bike related company?s would make such stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> Roger Merriman >>>>> >>>>> The Catrike is a unique situation. There's no way to put on a >>>>> handlebar bag or a top bar bag, or the little holster shown above. >>>>> I've been working with PVC pipe a lot: >>>> >>>> Even so it?s clearly not a common thing or item,I?d suspect that a hand gun >>>> with its shape weight would need to be be somewhat ungainly weight in a bar >>>> or top bag, I?d assume be fine with MTB backpacks/hydration packs as they >>>> tend to have lots of pockets and be made with more durable/stuff material. >>> >>> My Bersa thunder weighs 20 oz empty. Height 4.9" length 1.3 " >>> >>> Nine .380 rds weighs another 3 or 4 oz. The whole package is about the >>> same weight as a 24 oz bottle of water and much smaller. >>> https://bersausa.com/product/thunder-380/ >> >> Less it’s absolute weight more that it’s going focus it’s weight due its >> shape and size, and certainly with bar bags (along the handlebars) unless >> it’s a fairly packed bag it’s going to get tossed about, and so on. >> >> Likewise jersey pockets and so on likely to sub par so for folks who do >> unless it’s a fairly relaxed man on a bike types would need to find some >> solutions. >>> >>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992548551/in/datetaken/ >>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992540086/in/datetaken/ >>>>> >>>>> and it looked easier than it was. It involved heating and bending the >>>>> Pvc Pipe and quickly cooling it to lock the shape. Then cutting and >>>>> grinding make it so the Kydex holster fit and locked into it. >>>>> >>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53145141933/in/datetaken/ >>>>> >>>>> The Kydex holster is important because it protects the trigger. I can >>>>> use that same Kydex holster with out any changes to clip onto my belt >>>>> for inside the waistband carry. >>>>> >>>> I do admire the effort even if I don?t see the usefulness of it as you >>>> were. > >The Ancients seemed to manage quite well: > >https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/1890s-velodog-pistol-french-cyclists-dog-scarer/ > >These and similar were wildly popular. And remember, the very first person to ride a bicycle across the U.S. carried a pistol. -- Cheers, John B.