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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2025 03:53:24 -0400
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>CWP-7 Park tool crank pullerOn 20 Mar 2025 00:13:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:53:09 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 3/19/2025 4:41 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:17:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/19/2025 4:16 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/19/2025 4:10 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:06:44 -0500, AMuzi
>>>>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 3/19/2025 4:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:24 -0500, AMuzi
>>>>>>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> se. As long as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steal too much and actually care for their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "subjects".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        []'s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But with every system, there are degrees of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plunder, death
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and destruction. Some pursue mass murder,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosopher.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The dialectic is eternal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> societies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a sword,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knout, secret police or what have you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You can steal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more with a pen than a gun."  The modern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that usually start with, "For the children...".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No matter what kind of government, there will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at least one person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who wants to take control of everybody else...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and believes it's only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right and proper that he does so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never mind governments... in any group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frankie???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a self esteem thing. When people take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions from someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with low esteem it makes them feel important. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter if the directions are forced on them as in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voluntary as in social groups.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think leaders are generally people with low
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> esteem who need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> followers to make them feel important.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more likely, "I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to feel important, so follow me."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> circumstances.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not many senior people in the military are weak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kneaded, quite simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because their responsibilities are already mapped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out before hey get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance" and "if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job" while probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not spoken is understood by both parties.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Leaders" in every category are forever striving to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have more power
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and get more control. I know that they believe they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are "serving," but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel important.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Some leaders are different. Just like people are
>>>>>>>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the first things you learn in medicine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da
>>>>>>>>>>>> Silva. They are as
>>>>>>>>>>>> poor today as they were when they took office......
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the
>>>>>>>>>>>> rest of his
>>>>>>>>>>>> life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to
>>>>>>>>>>>> spend his last
>>>>>>>>>>>> days with his family, and only came back to fight the
>>>>>>>>>>>> fascists here in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brazil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> politician not a
>>>>>>>>>>>> character in a  rather badly written fairy tale) was
>>>>>>>>>>>> never a
>>>>>>>>>>>> power/money/control grabber. And he is still a
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Leader" today. LOL.
>>>>>>>>>>>>     []'s
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind
>>>>>>>>>>> of guy. Too bad
>>>>>>>>>>> that so many people call him by the wrong name.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Allah?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I read somewhere that his name started with "y," but I'm
>>>>>>>>> pretty sure
>>>>>>>>> they didn't have the English alphabet then. Being a
>>>>>>>>> respect person, I
>>>>>>>>> always reffered to him as Mr. Christ.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You're maybe thinking YWH, whose name shall not be spoken.
>>>>>>>> Oh, and The Christ is an honorific not a name.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yeah, I knew that. I was teasing. I do that sometimes.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I know nothing of Aramaic but in Latin there's no J (or K,
>>>>>> U, W, Y) so maybe IVSUS in pre-English orthography.
>>>>>> 
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