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Path: ...!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Revolution in chip manufacturing!! Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 14:02:58 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 98 Message-ID: <obq8nj5mvcqvhp18qe77d7hlno852s681q@4ax.com> References: <vl00pc$20cgp$1@solani.org> <u8l8njhccc5qutti94ml2bt1m7ogk59nev@4ax.com> <vl1oai$2dkln$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 22:59:15 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3e4e5dcb0166b13ef9fcdafac2de7075"; logging-data="2549467"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Xnfpgs4RsLALJuZkP/iuC" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:C9AgP6UPoF+IWSnR5psCMe+8OME= Bytes: 4722 On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 21:39:30 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote: >john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 05:51:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> Engineering researchers develop deep-UV microLED display chips for maskless >>> photolithography >>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241230131942.htm >>> Source: >>> Hong Kong University of Science and Technology >>> Summary: >>> In a breakthrough set to revolutionize the semiconductor industry, >>> engineers have developed the world's first-of-its-kind deep-ultraviolet >>> (UVC) microLED display array for lithography machines. >>> This enhanced efficiency UVC microLED has showcased the viability of a >>> lowered cost maskless photolithography >>> through the provision of adequate light output power density, enabling >>> exposure of photoresist films in a shorter time. >>> >>> High-Power AlGaN Deep-Ultraviolet Micro-Light-Emitting Diode Displays >>> for Maskless Photolithography >>> Now everybody and their cat cam make nano nano chips? >>> End of ASML? >>> Go short on them? >>> >>> >> >> There's another outfit that is serious about going after ASML. >> >> https://www.xlight.com/ >> >> The idea is to make a rather large electron accelerator and use that >> to build an EUV free-electron laser. >> >> That's all I can say. >> >> > >Resin-based 3D printing does amazingly well with bog standard 4k LCDs and >UV LEDs, achieving 20 micron voxel size. Simon uses it for his >automatically generated cradles for test jigs. > >I’m a fan. > >Chip litho has been better than that since the dawn of the planar process. >You can easily do 5 microns with contact printing, even if you’re a bit >cross-eyed. > >A lot of the advances in lithography technology are based on using the very >high contrast of photo resist to multiply resolution. > >You expose using a dose that just exceeds the resist threshold to make a >grid of narrow lines spaced by a bit more than half a wavelength. (Details >vary depending on the numerical aperture and refractive index.) > >Then you develop the resist, forming the narrow lines. Repeat once for 2x >resolution, or three times for 4x. > >Once you have this grating structure, you have to cut the lines in >appropriate places to form the actual circuit outline. This is harder. > >Also, of course you have to lay out your circuit so that this highly >restricted geometry can build it. Not too easy, but that’s how chips have >been made for many years now. > >All of which is very fiddly. > >State of the art litho is already using multiple exposures of 13.5 nm >light. That’s a photon energy of 92 eV, which dwarfs the band gap of any >material whatsoever. (Diamond is the champ at 5.5 eV.) > >Thus there’s no way to make a LED with a wavelength that short. > >A super high density array of super small 200-nm LEDs could be pretty >useful if it wasn’t too expensive, but you ain’t doing maskless litho at >advanced nodes with that. > >There’s a _lot_ of money spent on litho R&D, >So perhaps there’s a way to do it using an array of LEDs and multiple >exposures, at least at nodes where 200 nm lithography still works. > >Not going to replace advanced light sources and wafer scanners anytime >soon, and anyway the extreme-precision motion and positioning will still be >needed. > >Might be great for making semi-custom chips based on arrays of gates or >transistors. > >Cheers > >Phil Hobbs I think that some of the first ICs were silk screened. It should be possible to inkjet some power mosfets or something.