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From: john larkin <jlarkin_highland_tech>
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Subject: Re: Expedition to Europa
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On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 18:41:07 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>john larkin <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 11:35:47 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 04:04:11 -0700, Don Y
>>> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 6/28/2024 10:08 PM, bitrex wrote:
>>>>> On 6/27/2024 5:17 PM, Don Y wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Most big librarys carry AW.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> .<https://europa.nasa.gov/mission/about/>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If it turns out that there is life in the ocean of Europa, which has
>>>>>>> existed for something like four billion years, it supports the general
>>>>>>> idea of "random but inevitable"?ies of Abiogenesis.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _Remembrance of Earth's Past_ has an interesting take on the whole
>>>>>> notion behind an "empty" universe.? a tedious read (mainly for
>>>>>> me coming from a non-chinese culture... just keeping track of the
>>>>>> characters is difficult) but has some good ideas to chew on at its core.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My guess: The Universe is mammoth, the technological and energy requirements of 
>>>>> even short-distance interstellar travel are immense, the lifespan of 
>>>>> technological civilizations is highly time-limited before such a civilization 
>>>>> destroys itself, technological civilizations are very rare to begin with, and 
>>>>> no technological civilization ever survives long enough to attempt it.
>>>> 
>>>> That wouldn't explain why there are no *signs* of intelligent life.
>>>> 
>>>> *We* can't (yet) travel interstellar distances in single lifetimes
>>>> but I'm sure anyone with technology comparable to ours would be able to
>>>> *detect* our presence (given that we seem to make no attempt at "hiding")
>>>> 
>>>> _If the Universe Is Teeming with Aliens ... WHERE IS EVERYBODY?_ gives some
>>>> interesting takes on the Fermi paradox.
>>> 
>>> That's a bit self-important.  
>>> 
>>> If the universe is teaming with life, but alien civilizations capable
>>> of interstellar travel are exceedingly rare, there would be little
>>> reason for those spacefaring aliens to visit any but the other
>>> advanced alien civilizations.  
>>> 
>>> We might get the equivalent of an anthropologist ever few million
>>> year, and they would do whatever needed to prevent detection by that
>>> which they study.
>>> 
>>> Joe Gwinn
>> 
>> An intelligent alien lifeform is probably thousands of light-years
>> away. Unless they have a Warp Drive, there's no way they would want to
>> visit us.
>> 
>> A very advanced robot might.
>> 
>> 
>
>https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/V%27ger
>
>Cheers 
>
>Phil Hobbs 

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