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From: "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.misc,nz.general,aus.computers
Subject: Re: Banning Social Media For Under-16s
Date: Sun, 18 May 2025 17:37:37 +1000
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MightyMouse <squeak!@cheesefactory.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> MightyMouse <squeak!@cheesefactory.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> MightyMouse <squeak!@cheesefactory.com> wrote
>>>>> BR wrote
>>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote

>>>>>>> Australia has put in place a law to ban access to social media f=
or
>>>>>>> under-16s, and New Zealand is looking to follow suit. Here is an=

>>>>>>> interview, by Samantha Hayes of Stuff, of the =E2=80=9CPremier=E2=
=80=9D (as the
>>>>>>> Aussies insist on calling the state Chief Ministers in their
>>>>>>> Federation -- don=E2=80=99t they know that =E2=80=9CPremier=E2=80=
=9D is shortened  =

>>>>>>> journalese for =E2=80=9CPrime Minister=E2=80=9D?)

That is bullshit

>>>>>>> of South Australia, Peter Malinauskas, the  instigator of the  =

>>>>>>> Aussie law
>>>>>>> <https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360690772/one-thing-architect-=
australias-social-media-ban-under-16s-would-do-differently>.

More bullshit

>>>>>>> One of our local pro-right-wing-wannabe parties insists the law =
 =

>>>>>>> would  be =E2=80=9Cunworkable=E2=80=9D. Yes, Malinauskas admits =
that bans on =

>>>>>>> underage  smoking,

That isnt illegal in this country, most obviously
in their own home with the parent's consent.

>>>>>>> drinking

That isnt illegal in this country, most obviously
in their own home with the parent's consent.

>>>>>>> and now social media are never 100% effective. But
>>>>>>> they greatly reduce the incidence of the activity, andthat is  =

>>>>>>> what  leads to harm reduction.

There is no harm involved

>>>>>>> Certainly, relying on the social media companies to police  =

>>>>>>> themselves
>>>>>>> is never going to work. Because if it had worked, we would have =
 =

>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>> the results, after more than 20 years of their activities. The f=
act
>>>>>>> that things are, if anything, worse now than when they started, =
 =

>>>>>>> shows
>>>>>>> the uselessness of trusting them.

>>>>>> Banning under 16s from social media will be impossible unless som=
e
>>>>>> sort of digital ID is issued to everyone and which would be requi=
red
>>>>>> for internet access.

>>>>> and so we march ever onward towards microchip implants

>>>> Fantasy

>>> people are already doing it

>> EVERYONE isnt

> never said it was happening now with everyone.

You clearly did use the word everyone

> I said it will eventually  happen.

And you got that wrong, most obviously with pets

> we have everything on our phones now, ID, drivers licence, credit card=
s,  =

> tap and go, etc.,

Plenty dont

> it's the next logical step to put all  this into us.

But few will be stupid enough to do it like that because
it works much better with it in your phone because you
can use the phone for so much else as well so it makes
no sense to have just the ID in your body and you hardly
ever need that so you can be idenified if you are discovered
unconscious etc

> tap and go chip payment was even happening six years go ..  =

> https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61008730

And some choose to not use that

And even with an embedded ID, its completely trivial
for kids to bypass that by getting another chip off the
internet and using that to access social media and
the govt will never be able to force everyone to have
an embedded id before they can use social media

> https://www.govtech.com/blogs/lohrmann-on-cybersecurity/from-progress-=
to-bans-how-close-are-human-microchip-implants

> and Elon Musk has taken it even a step further already ..  =

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlL6nej4am3c

Irrelevant to whether we will ever all be required to have embedded id

>> and isnt even doing that for their pets
>> even tho that is a legal requirement and no govt would
>> ever be stupid enough to require that for internet access
>> and complete trivial to bypass that even if they did

>>>>>>   This legislation is insidious and must be opposed
>>>>>> at every opportunity.

>>>>>> It is up to parents to supervise their children's online activity=
,  =

>>>>>> not politicians.