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Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

>On 10/22/2024 2:54 AM, Xocyll wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
>> entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
>> say:
>> 
>>> On 10/21/2024 1:11 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/21/2024 7:15 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:32:49 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
>>>>>>> entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
>>>>>>> say:
>>>>>>>> On 10/20/2024 7:48 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I like the movie. I don't like to read. :P
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The movie had been written and was already in pre-production when the
>>>>>>>> producers found out the movie rights to the book were for sale.  So they
>>>>>>>> bought those rights so they could use the book's title.
>>>>>>>> No joke.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Title and bolted on a few names from the book, and a couple of themes
>>>>>>> (the whole service thing.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But everything else was a mockery - assault rifles with an apparent
>>>>>>> range of 10 feet, forcing the soldiers to shoot point blank at something
>>>>>>> that can cut them in half with a swipe.   Um yeah, sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And the whole psi corp stuff in SS uniforms, no wonder the film is
>>>>>>> nicknamed Nazi Germany 90210.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh yeah, and the chick flying the ship dodging an asteroid coming in
>>>>>>> FTL, yeah, these guys can't even spell science much less know any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And don't forget the complete and utter lack of powered battle armor,
>>>>>> something the book is most famous for popularizing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Starship Troopers" without powered armor is Star Wars without
>>>>>> lightsabers. I mean, sure you _could_... but why?*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fairness, a lot of the other stuff mentioned above (the fascism,
>>>>>> the shitty science, the psi stuff) was part and parcel of the book
>>>>>> too, albeit not so central to the narrative. I'll forgive that... even
>>>>>> if I didn't necessarily enjoy it. But the lack of powered armor?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Actually the political stuff in the movie is almost the polar opposite
>>>>> of the book.  Heinlein wrote a war story about service, as in western
>>>>> democracy type "service".  The citizenship criteria in the book was
>>>>> _ANY_ kind of service.  Being assigned as a park ranger planting trees
>>>>> was service and could grant citizenship.  He strongly emphasized that
>>>>> non-citizens were not an underclass.
>>>>
>>>>> The "Nazis BAAAAD!" parts of the movie were ALL Verhoeven, things that
>>>>> he added deliberately.  He's admitted that in interviews.
>>>>
>>>> Ah. Someone needs to reboot Starship Troopers movies. Maybe a TV series instead?
>>>
>>> There was an animated series (have the DVDs) and a series of animated
>>> movies in addition to the two sequels to Verhoeven's movie.
>> 
>> Four Sequels.
>> 
>Oh for fornication's sake.  I've seen 2 and 3, when did 4 and 5 come out?

The whole mess
Starship troopers (1997)
Starship Troopers 2: Hero of the Federation (2004 DTV)
Starship Troopers 3: Marauder (2008 DTV)
Starship Troopers: Invasion (2012 Animated)
Starship Troopers: Traitor of Mars (2017 Animated)

I have not seen 4 and 5, but 2 and 3 were dreck.

Xocyll