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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: OT: The Art Of Poison-Pilling Music Files Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 12:55:22 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 41 Message-ID: <p0ovvjlk8dsgjfiak94vnp9pas85fgje4e@4ax.com> References: <t2mvvj1uuln5h9oco65ph96qhtckkpabft@4ax.com> <vtomke$2kb4i$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 18:55:24 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="54287a072d38f4899cf6c830aef1b939"; logging-data="2782281"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+VeVpMUhKM9igTEIRUfXaEfdO+Wip7Scc=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:D8XGSVmE7KBOKhFWehJZuWk0HAI= Bytes: 2891 On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 16:41:50 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote: >On Apr 16, 2025 at 9:24:22 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >wrote: > >> This is both great and scary. The idea is that you can encode messages >> into music or other sounds that an AI can pick up that no human would >> notice. In this video the designer goes into how he introduces the >> poison pills that do things like tell Alexa or Siri to do things while >> sounding perfectly normal to us. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMYm2d9bmEA >> The Art Of Poison-Pilling Music Files >> >> He has an example of what sounds like a simple song from someone >> playing a piano. Nothing at all unusual in how it sounds. Yet the AI >> picks up a series of instructions and pops up a video. As he points >> out this could easily be an instruction to unlock all your doors. > >Which wouldn't matter to people like me whose doors lock the old fashioned >way: when a human turns the bolt. > It's the best way. I never understood why someone would want to make their home so dependent on voice technology unless they were somehow limited. So someone who is bed ridden might get a lot of use at being able to turn on/off the lights with a voice command but does an able bodied person really need that? As you point out it gets worse with something like controlling doors where anyone might be able to unlock them with either their own voice or a recording of yours. Where as with a manual lock you know if it's been locked and will stay locked. > >> In his case, as a musician, he wants to stop AI companies from using >> his and others music without proper compensation. Hence the idea of >> introducing a "poison pill" into their music that will corrupt the AI >> data bases if they use that music, and yet will sound perfectly normal >> to any human. > >