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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,alt.usage.english Subject: Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned Date: Sat, 31 May 2025 08:42:33 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 35 Message-ID: <p68m3k96kuievtpqe9ebb39gsb0ss5h88a@4ax.com> References: <03gqqj562r4vi0kpi2vl8flsi59jsbot56@4ax.com> <physics-20250525180332@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <q3293kd3354ca22bf84g88 <1rd58xk.1pvat5wzcmq1uN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <101ck6c$i6i$1@panix2.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Sat, 31 May 2025 17:42:37 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="caa20c9f3e4698ab7f841781e4b3243d"; logging-data="1304471"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18FT9bkWrFzcsKCCppx9fq2M22JTQnOpFI=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:Glxflxk21ycXRLJp3PGfGWPwuWA= Bytes: 2466 On Fri, 30 May 2025 11:51:40 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: >J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote: >> >>Yes. Freedom of religion is fine, >>but freedom from religion is far more important, > >In the end, they are really the same thing. You don't get freedom to = enjoy >your religion without the freedom from mine. > >Far too many religious people don't understand this. But of course many >of the people who founded the country were Puritans who moved to Holland= to >enjoy religious freedom and discovered that they didn't actually want=20 >religious freedom at all, so long as it meant freedom for others as = well. > >So they took themselves to America. This was actually covered when I took American History in (IIRC) Junior High (grades 7 through 9).=20 I've read the responses and they were all very helpful. The teacher, of course, used the correct term. He made it clear that by "religious freedom" was meant "freedom to be the only religion (with Judaism sometimes tolerated, sometimes not)". He extended this to the second generation, and the development of the Protestant Work Ethic. Among other items. --=20 "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino, Who evil spoke of everyone but God, Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"