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From: Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> Subject: Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.os.linux Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy References: <pan$bad8$b677bed3$aca0e5e2$5bb3eab5@linux.rocks> <lmjll1Fd52kU2@mid.individual.net> <slrnvgb2cp.5v0f.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> <ve4go1$3ra8a$3@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <pan$4209e$40d36e28$c8a7c079$163ec1ab@linux.rocks> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 81 Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.iad1.usenetexpress.com!news.usenetexpress.com!not-for-mail Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:51:35 +0000 Nntp-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:51:35 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 3850 Organization: UsenetExpress - www.usenetexpress.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetexpress.com Bytes: 4169 On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 18:54:41 -0500, tom wrote: > > I've been switching to FreeBSD for most of my computers (laptop and > servers) because of the systemd assumption debacle and updates bring > frivolous changes for the sake of change that break things. > I have been considering that move as well, but I have so much invested in GNU/Linux already (I have essentially created my own distro) that it may not be the best option at the moment. But if the dominance of GNU/Linux by a few parties continues to grow then I will certainly adopt FreeBSD. The best that could happen would be for GNU to complete its own HURD OS, but that dream is a long way off. > > If these sorts of things upset you that much (which is reasonable); > perhaps consider stop using software that has too much redhat > influence. > I don't use GNOME but rather only a simple window manager, FVWM3. The problem here is that libinput, a product of GNOME/Freedesktop/ RedHat, has become the default input driver for X. There is no way for anyone to avoid it. It all can be traced back to static device nodes, which are indisputably the most efficient way to configure a personal workstation. RedHat wanted to eliminate static nodes because they are a big headache for distro builders who needed to include thousands of nodes even though only a handful were actually used on a particular system. They decided to implement dynamic nodes that are created during boot. Eventually this "evolved" over time into systemd and now libinput. > > Part of the problem (and feature) of the Linux ecosystem is that every > system component is made by a completely different person/team/company > with different, often conflicting design goals. > Yes, it is a feature, and a good one at that. But RedHat, and its lackey Poettering, see it as a serious problem for them because such fragmentation will deter developers and thus reduce potential profits. They are pushing to make GNU/Linux more centralized and to eliminate choice. This is the entire raison d'etre for systemd and libinput. > > You can get away from the FreeDesktop stuff by stop using desktop > environments and learn how to configure a compact window manager that > doesn't rely on FreeDesktop stuff. > As I indicated above, it is now quite impossible to avoid GNOME/Freedesktop stuff. The problem will even get worse in the future. Many alternative window managers, such as FVWM3, will only operate with X. But RedHat, and all their distro lackeys, are strongly pushing Wayland, and furthermore, the major graphical toolkits, like GTK+, are strongly considering ending their support for X. This means that dozens of very useful and attractive window managers will suddenly become totally obsolete. When I first began using GNU/Linux I was tremendously elated over what I believed was a truly free (as in freedom) OS that would persist forever. But now I can only hope to convey my distress over what is clearly a degeneration of this freedom. -- Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.