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Subject: Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 08:05:42 -0000 (UTC)
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Am Wed, 12 Jun 2024 21:21:31 -0500 schrieb olcott:
> On 6/12/2024 9:06 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 6/12/24 9:54 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 6/12/2024 8:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 6/12/24 9:19 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am saying there is no mapping from the input TO THE QUESTION.
>>>>> H IS NOT EVEN BEING ASKED ABOUT THE BEHAVIOR OF D(D).
>>>> So, you admit that you are lying about H being a Halt Decider.
What else could "pass a program and input to a halt decider" mean?

>>>> Because Halt Deciders *ARE* being asked about the behavior of the
>>>> machine their input describes, in this case D(D).
>>> This never has been precisely correct. That is a dumbed down version
>>> for people that do not really understand these things.
>> Source for that claim? and not that it is just another of your
>> unverifiable false claims?
> Actual comprehension is my source. That it is over-your-head does not
> make me incorrect.
AKA "I made it up".
> How do you think that halt deciders figure out the question that they
> are being asked, do they look up the question on a textbook?


>> And you are too stupid to understand that the definition doesn't NEED H
>> to be able to compute the mapping, because it might be uncomputable.
> When the mapping from the question to a yes or no answer does not exist
> this is called an undecidable question.
> When the mapping from the input to the question does not exist this is a
> whole new issue that no one ever noticed before.
AKA "the machine is wrong".

>> Maybe you have shown that if Halting was supposed to have been a
>> computable function, they failed at it, but it was never claimed to
>> have been actually computable. The goal was to hope they could find a
>> way to compute it, as that would have helped handle a lot of problems
>> that were coming up in mathematics and logic.
> If the input cannot be mapped to the question that you expect then your
> expectations were incorrect.
Namely, that halting is decidable.

>> There is a big underpinning that the same sort of essence of logic that
>> makes Halting non-computable, also makes many logic system incomplete
>> (the existance of statements that turn out to be true, but can't be
>> proven in their system) and which breaks the ability to have a Truth
>> Pedicate that ALWAYS indicates if a statement it true vs untrue (false
>> or not having a truth value).
>> Your logic fails, because you implicitly assume that there must be an
>> method to compute the answer.


-- 
joes