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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: Books Banned in Utah. Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2024 07:45:21 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 44 Message-ID: <pan$c184e$6006bc52$d9c37a3b$bc6393b9@cpacker.org> References: <v90pgc$3clah$1@dont-email.me> <pan$cc65f$b383958e$45a7f8cd$8216c426@cpacker.org> <eg2fbjts1tdlmsvqoda3vhu5ghguib7vlo@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2024 09:45:21 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="91668732908a64109cd2390a79dbd6e5"; logging-data="2312420"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18+AehHVXJNFoKXe46uflrY" User-Agent: Pan/0.158 (Avdiivka; ) Cancel-Lock: sha1:72q1ZD7zEKewQFduvCgqUvmcN3Q= Bytes: 3229 On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 08:46:03 -0700, Paul S Person wrote: > On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 07:55:11 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer > <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote: > >>On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 09:38:20 +1200, Titus G wrote: >> >>> Utah has banned 13 books, including Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood >>> which basically claims that large corporations are not to be trusted >>> with science. >>> I do not know any of the other authors but Sarah J. Maas writes >>> Fantasy. >>> James Nichol will be delighted that women are being recognised with >>> twelve of the thirteen books being written by women. >>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/e/ >>2PACX-1vQc_7uakPh4eRXrq0iVq-L2g-BwcnRWyfc7E0QOdrThoUEtPHQaDvJM4JwNFXV- >>HZQok4L-fDh_P9jt/pubhtml?pli=1 >> >>Is nobody simply curious as to why different books have different sets >>of school boards banning them? And how many school districts are there >>in Utah, anyway? How can we be sure that this isn't a publicity stunt >>for Sarah J Maas? > > Different school boards have different values. That's the problem with > "local values" -- they are /local/. Go over the ridge to the next school > district and the values may differ. Hence the endless attempts to > elevate /my/ local values to apply /universally/. Well, not mine > personally, of course; I am indicating the state of mind of the > individual(s) doing the banning. > > I saw an article recently that claimed that most book banning efforts > were being done, country-wide, by at most 11 distinct people. I wonder > how many distinct people were responsible for the thousands of > voicemails/emails to election workers who had the gall to insist that > the vote count determined the winner -- one? two? three?. Subsequently the New York Times ran a story that resolved my puzzlement over the structure of the list. If at least three school districts decide to ban a book, all school districts in the state are required to remove it from their libraries. I looked up the locations of each of the five districts appearing in the list and they're all in small towns. Fun fact: Utah spends the least of any state on its public schools, on a per pupil basis.