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From: Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Thoughts on industrial design
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 08:32:34 -0700
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:51:18 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 4/28/2025 5:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:51:25 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 4/28/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:02:28 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/2025 9:26 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep.  I looked around for a stick shift model.  Except for my first
>>>>>>> car, all have been stick shifts.  Driving an automatic makes me feel
>>>>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver.  With a stick shift, I'm
>>>>>>> part of the machine.  If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
>>>>>>> probably be another stick shift.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed
>>>>>> me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from
>>>>>> his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
>>>>>> current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond
>>>>>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
>>>>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you call it "stepping on the gas" in an EV?
>>>>
>>>> "What phrase will replace "step on the gas!" once vehicles are all
>>>> electric?"
>>>> <https://www.quora.com/What-phrase-will-replace-step-on-the-gas-once-vehicles-are-all-electric>
>>>> "Step on the accelerator" seems to be the consensus, although "step on
>>>> the rotary encoder" would be more technically correct.
>>>
>>> Let's just stick with the basics.....
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPjFoK4HOsw
>> 
>> Yep.  A stick(y) accelerator can be a problem.  Tesla recalled 3,878
>> Cybertrucks in 2024 for such sticky accelerator pedals.
>> <https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-sticking-pedal-unintended-acceleration-recall>
>
>Did you check link? Sticky accelerators don't seem to be the issue.

"Tesla is recalling every Cybertruck it’s delivered over an
accelerator pedal that can become trapped in a depressed position,
creating an unintended acceleration risk that may lead to a
collision."

Close enough.  To the average EV driver, stomping on the accelerator
is interchangeable with stomping on the pedal.  Sticky pedal could
easily be interpreted as a sticky accelerator, much like sticking to
the basics.  My apologies for the fun, errr... pun.
 
>> As for "basics", the last time I checked, rec.bicycles.tech was a
>> "tech" newsgroup which is the opposite of a "basics" group.
>
>And we weren't discussing bicycle technology.

True.  We were discussing EV's.  However, considering the frequency of
off topic discussions in rec.bicycles.tech, I wouldn't fault anyone
for succumbing to the temptations of topic drift.

>>>>
>>>> Model S
>>>> <https://service.tesla.com/docs/ModelS/ServiceManual/Palladium/en-us/GUID-45B8060C-F262-452F-9694-CFB7C87F33EC.html>
>>>> Model Y
>>>> <https://service.tesla.com/docs/ModelY/ServiceManual/en-us/GUID-8E18B453-7EBF-417C-B0C2-BC2CDAA2A1C1.html>
>>>> Marginally better photos:
>>>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/144674953544>
>>>> It looks like a rotary encoder, but I'm not certain.
>>>>    
>>>>>> Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue
>>>>>> for discussion.
>>>>
>>>>
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