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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: Thoughts on industrial design
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 09:11:45 -0400
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:48:54 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>> floriduh dumbass <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> On 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep.  I looked around for a stick shift model.  Except for my first
>>>>>> car, all have been stick shifts.  Driving an automatic makes me feel
>>>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver.  With a stick shift, I'm
>>>>>> part of the machine.  If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
>>>>>> probably be another stick shift.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed
>>>>> me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from
>>>>> his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
>>>>
>>>> Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to
>>>> experience driving aren?t likely to be their customers, lane assist seems
>>>> to help on motorways and similar.
>>>>
>>>> I?m unconvinced that self driving will fully get there I?m told that Tesla
>>>> isn?t the best in this category.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
>>>>> current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond
>>>>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
>>>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue
>>>>> for discussion.
>>>>>
>>>> I?d say that be more fixed bikes which are more into ?feel the force Luke?
>>>> in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed
>>>> shifting.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps the clutch and stick shifts are better for noisy acceleration
>>> with squealing tires, but I outgrew that long ago. On the other hand,
>>> for driving in heavy stop and go traffic I favor the automatic
>>> transmission. As for preference, it's not a factor my wife and I would
>>> even contemplate when buying a vehicle since we both are comfortable
>>> with either one.
>>>
>>> As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
>>> not worth discussing.
>>>
>> I disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is
>> just preference.
>>> --
>>> C'est bon
>>> Soloman
>>>
>  Just so we have this straight - this dumbass thinks automobile 
>shifting preferences are worth discussing but bicycle shifting 
>preferences are not...in a bicycle technical forum....
>
>Fucking dumbass.....

Actually, I simply stated my opinions and preferences, Dummy. I wasn't
suggesting a discussion. You can discuss automobile shifting if you
want, but I'll opt out.

--
C'est bon
Soloman