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From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Todays rant
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 18:22:24 +0700
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On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 10:00:49 +0100, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:

>Am 03.12.2024 um 02:50 schrieb AMuzi:
>> On 12/2/2024 7:22 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 10:46:21 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/2/2024 10:17 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 12/1/2024 8:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aside from general fiscal and monetary errors, the
>>>>>> widespread overreactions to the Wuhan virus at State/local
>>>>>> levels suppressed production while cash transfers (a
>>>>>> substantial proportion of which were outright fraud*)
>>>>>> enhanced demand amid that reduced supply. Classic error.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Classic error" is a strange term for an essentially
>>>>> worldwide response to a situation that was unique in modern
>>>>> times. Or perhaps you're claiming that the same mistake was
>>>>> made when dealing with the Black Death of the 1300s?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm aware that you and a few others are still claiming all
>>>>> responses to COVID-19 were overreactions. But that's a
>>>>> combination of "Monday morning quarterbacking" and
>>>>> irrational worship of Free Market magic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cast your mind back to hospitals so crowded that patients
>>>>> were being treated in parking lot polyethylene tents, in
>>>>> nation after nation. Despite some idiotic claims that COVID
>>>>> was no worse than a seasonal flu, people were dying by
>>>>> thousands and there were very legitimate fears of a near-
>>>>> total collapse of the medical system.
>>>>>
>>>>> On one hand were the most expert medical professionals in
>>>>> every western nation. Most skeptics, OTOH, were the usual
>>>>> crew who believe nothing but what they "learned" in their
>>>>> almost-completed high school educations and by watching
>>>>> their favorite YouTubers.
>>>>>
>>>>> As with certain other situations, we don't really know what
>>>>> would have happened if everyone would have pretended COVID
>>>>> wasn't happening. But it's silly to pretend this worldwide
>>>>> event should somehow have had zero economic repercussions.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One example:
>>>>
>>>> Governor 'Queen Gretchen' Whitmer ordered Michigan
>>>> manufacturers closed and even prohibited commercial carriers
>>>> form servicing them so UPS/FedEx couldn't carry what
>>>> inventory they had. Velocity, located in Michigan, was
>>>> devastated and although we never closed one day our
>>>> customers were unable to buy new wheels once we ran through
>>>> our inventory. What possible advantage did that achieve?
>>>>
>>>> Another:
>>>> Illinois Governor J B Pritzker, our nation's fattest
>>>> governor, ordered churches closed but allowed casinos and
>>>> liquor stores (State tax generating entities) to remain
>>>> open.  Because... Science!!
>>>>
>>>> I can go on across the country for pages and pages of
>>>> similar without even searching period news reports.
>>>>
>>>> 'Overreaction' is the most polite term I could have used.
>>>
>>> And yet the U.S. had much greater levels of cases and deaths, per
>>> capita,  then other countries that took more strict precautions . Bad
>>> luck?
>> 
>> Much discussed, both here on RBT and across the culture.
>> 
>> Direct payments for post mortem diagnosis led to extreme overcounts 
>> (including. early on, a couple on a motorcycle killed by a red light 
>> runner).  Dying while exposed is not the same as dying of a virus.
>
>Even if the rules for cause-of-death attribution were different in 
>different countries (e.g. in Germany, they disallowed coroner's action 
>for several months for fear of spreading the disease), the excess 
>fatality rate as a statistical tool would give you comparable ballpark 
>figures across the world.
>
>Rolf

You might ant to look at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
it used numbers per population and is no longer updated. Details on
site.
Example 
World cases - 90,413 per 1 million 
U.S.A. cases    - 333,985
World deaths - 889.4 per 1 million population
U.S.A. deaths - 3642
	 

-- 
Cheers,

John B.