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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!border-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2025 18:01:55 +0000 From: Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Subject: What To Do, Valve? Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2025 14:01:21 -0400 Summary: Copying or reuse for AI training or data sets not allowed Message-ID: <pu4e4kdvvnrgk53kc8643aa4hojcl3buq7@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 90 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-jR7hOXTeAuvsr/l4JwtcpAUmjFtWFHGob6Emf5jQNcdL9qNYGai8Fl5Obv4vdMDYBetrgABcGCxtU3L!ebXzsVyK65A+uE7B2WSiEMQIVVz9TY7xxP5tjwa189vIEpv+ukXVIBqJTTdyxdTPUG9mdXhr X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 So... I guess we'll talk about "Squad 22: ZOV". You're probably not familiar with the game. I certainly wasn't (hopefully most people never will). Released a couple weeks ago, "Squad 22 ZOV" is a Russian game that promotes the Russian invasion of Ukraine, supported by the Russian military and filled with anti-Ukrainian imagery and propaganda. It's not -according to the few people who've played it- a particularly good game either (it is frequently described as a bad "Doorkickers" clone). An utterly forgettable, terrible game that wouldn't ever be noticed under normal circumstances. Except it's on Steam, and Valve has been notoriously hands off about it. Now, on the one hand, sure; the game /technically/ isn't breaking any of Steam's rules for what sort of games Valve allows on their platform. I say technically because, you know, the Russians are _still_ invading and killing Ukrainians (even if most USAmericans seem to have turned a blind eye to the war), and this sort of game promotes those violent actions. Arguably, it could be seen as a call to violence by Russians against Ukrainians (Steam has a rule about promoting real-world violence). It's also using the letters ZOV which are associated with the Russian military and in particular indicate support of the invasion. So there is good argument that at least some of Valve's publishing guidelines are being violated. Anyway, Valve has pulled games that featured currently active conflicts in the past. Of course, there are lots of other propaganda-laden games on the market; "America's Army" is often specifically called out as a game intentionally designed to recruit young people, and Steam is fine with that one, so "Squad 22" should be safe, right? Except "America's Army" (and other jingoistic games, like the entirety of the "Call of Duty" franchise) are very careful to not specify actual active conflicts; they're either scrubbed of any clear identity for its enemies or are fictionalized. You can't say that for "Squad 22 ZOV". Besides, the argument goes, if Valve takes a stand against the Russian invasion of Ukraine, what's next? Might they next ban games promoting transgender lifestyles? Or mixed-race relationships? Or any sort of sexuality? And yeah, you're right; they _could_. I just don't think they _would_. "Squad 22" is actively promoting a war where people are currently being killed. I don't think a "hey, let's not promote an active conflict" is really that much of a stretch for Valve. But even if that were not the case... is it really too much to ask for Valve to take a stand on some issues? Even if "Squad 22" isn't against any of their rules, its perfectly okay for a store owner to say, "You know, I don't want that sort of product sold in my store." It's not a terrible thing to have standards, is it? Or for people to know what a company actually believes in. On the other hand, I understand Valve's reluctance. Russia is a /huge/ market for Valve. The Russian-speaking demographics constitute ten percent of its users (almost as much as the Spanish, German, French, Japanese-speaking users combined*). So financially its understandable if Valve is hesitant to risk that revenue (even if its likely a lot of this traffic is generated by bots manipulating Steam's gambling marketplace). And surely we can't ask a company to ever not do anything for a profit, right? But you know what? I have no issue demanding that Valve look beyond the dollar signs when people's lives are on the line. Hell, I'm not all that thrilled that Valve is still doing business in Russia _at all_, given how most of the western world has otherwise backed away from that too. So I don't think it's too much to ask Valve to actually take a stand for once. This isn't really that controversial an issue, after all. The Russian invasion was an act of unprovoked war and has been condemned by pretty much everyone. Arguably the game breaks Steam's own rules, and even if not, Steam has reserved itself the right -and has used that right in the past-- to take down games it disagrees with. They can do the same with this game. What to do, Valve? That's a real easy problem. Kick "Squad 22 ZOV" out of your store. Slava Ukraini! * as of 2024: English-speaking users: 36%; Chinese-speaking: 23%. Russian-speaking: 10%; Spanish: 5%; German: 2.9%; French: 2.3%; Japanese: 2.1% https://www.demandsage.com/steam-statistics/