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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2024 17:07:47 +0000 From: Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Subject: Re: FREE GAMES: "Industria" and "Lisa: The Definitive Edition" Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2024 13:07:46 -0400 Message-ID: <q20t2jpi6cvi768m3op79824afbn8pceuf@4ax.com> References: <h4vk2jhfqrcas3bq52lp4peqngj1ph690b@4ax.com> <8l3l2jt2vr3e2oocpaqhhssbsl6jobck1n@4ax.com> <kbgn2jhl9sqq6b7umm4ifrg5oqbc05mi1l@4ax.com> <v0gp0o$3qs4r$2@dont-email.me> <g0up2jhqjlc7s8l3k71q1nohu48ns39ddc@4ax.com> <0sbq2j5h68r213p7ci2a6uas1sga0m3ijh@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 42 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-q1tfRNqqtjpN7GGXnJxb7DYod5dYBGpYHDsO+f5oNrU6FbGZr8/pE+GvjGJUEM9f5u/zZx8Aa31gO/P!bGqf5nzFUh3Qin0OFsziAz/5L3QCElw3MBjQ2JvCmtsOKNntYE0o4FNUyueQRpBDxQm4RTI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 3211 On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 12:04:17 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 09:44:07 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, >Spalls Hurgenson wrote: > >>Slavjank games were a lot more common in the mid 2000s and early >>2010s. Some examples include "You Are Empty", "Codename: Outbreak", >>"Ubersoldier", "Creed", "Chrome" and even (arguably) "STALKER: Shadow >>of Chernobyl". I've even seen "Cyberpunk 2020" included in the >>category (mostly due to its very rough release; I think most of its >>critics would agree it doesn't deserve that anymore). > >I would throw the "Metro" games on that pile too, as well as >"Ghostrunner." I personally wouldn't, but what is and isn't slavjank is open to interpretation, depending on where you draw the line for 'jank'. Personally, I think that the Metro games - and the later STALKER games for that matter - were well-made enough that they don't deserve that designation, but I can understand that others may disagree. Similarly, while I didn't /enjoy/ "Ghostrunner" I think that's more because it's targeted at an entirely different audience than the one I am in. I think it's trying to be a very specific type of game aimed at a very specific type of audience, and - in my opinion - it achieved its goals. It's a game for people who enjoy the challenges of speedrunning; a game for people who get off on mastering the mechanical and technical aspects of a perfectly timed run through a level. That's not me, but just because I don't enjoy it doesn't make the game janky. Just different. (Also, as far as I know, the Ghostrunner devs are based in Denmark. That would make their game Eurojank - or Danejank? - and not Slavjank. Fortunately, the world is wide enough to support multiple types of jankitude. ;-) But YMMV. Jank is in the eye of the beholder. If it's jank to you, who am I to argue? ;-)