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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: Hit and run of multiple cyclists
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2025 15:30:48 -0500
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On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 13:50:17 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 3/8/2025 1:16 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 12:42:41 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 3/8/2025 12:00 PM, zen cycle wrote:
>>>> On 3/8/2025 12:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 3/8/2025 9:04 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/7/2025 10:56 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in
>>>>>>> the USA via
>>>>>>> Ellis Island in about 1953.  This was the tail end of
>>>>>>> Senator Joe
>>>>>>> McCarthy and the Red (Russian) Scare:
>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism>
>>>>>>> the HUAC:
>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-
>>>>>>> American_Activities_Committee>
>>>>>>> and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts.  From
>>>>>>> my parents
>>>>>>> point of view, and from that of most immigrants from
>>>>>>> Europe, the
>>>>>>> committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done
>>>>>>> before WWII.  If
>>>>>>> you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or
>>>>>>> even a pacifist,
>>>>>>> you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some
>>>>>>> random person,
>>>>>>> and deported to some place unpleasant.
>>>>>>> <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/
>>>>>>> denounce>
>>>>>>> "to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal
>>>>>>> activities,
>>>>>>> especially illegal political activities"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No trial was needed.  For the freshly minted immigrants
>>>>>>> to the USA,
>>>>>>> this was a very real concern (or fear).  My parents and
>>>>>>> friends were
>>>>>>> seriously worried.  I was also worried, but because I
>>>>>>> really didn't
>>>>>>> understand what was happening, I just followed their
>>>>>>> example.  For a
>>>>>>> time, we became very wary of neighbors, police,
>>>>>>> officials, anyone in
>>>>>>> authority, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My extended family did their best to try and "fit in"
>>>>>>> and become an
>>>>>>> American.  We learned to juggle the knife and fork like
>>>>>>> Americans,
>>>>>>> instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and
>>>>>>> the knife in the
>>>>>>> right.  We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read
>>>>>>> and write
>>>>>>> English and understand American slang.  At the time, I
>>>>>>> was a 5+ year
>>>>>>> old and had no difficulty learning all the languages
>>>>>>> required to
>>>>>>> communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and
>>>>>>> of course, the
>>>>>>> Americans.  However, in public, all the immigrants made
>>>>>>> it a point to
>>>>>>> only speak English.  My original native languages were
>>>>>>> German and
>>>>>>> Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors
>>>>>>> at home or at
>>>>>>> a relatives house.  Anywhere else, it was "speak English
>>>>>>> or say
>>>>>>> nothing".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is 2nd hand from various relatives.  None of the
>>>>>>> immigrants spoke
>>>>>>> about "rights".  If they were Jewish, and lived in the
>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>> countries, they literally had no rights.  Having rights
>>>>>>> in the USA
>>>>>>> seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they
>>>>>>> literally did not
>>>>>>> believe that it was possible.  I was told that one
>>>>>>> immigrant received
>>>>>>> a summons for some minor legal matter.  My parents
>>>>>>> caught up with him
>>>>>>> as he was busy disposing of his possessions and
>>>>>>> preparing to leave the
>>>>>>> country.  He explained that it was better to leave than
>>>>>>> to get thrown
>>>>>>> in an American concentration camp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer
>>>>>>> to do
>>>>>>> whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered
>>>>>>> computers.  I
>>>>>>> think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can
>>>>>>> be a very
>>>>>>> traumatic experience, full of bad information and
>>>>>>> misinterpretations.
>>>>>>> It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to
>>>>>>> explain things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe you but experiences vary a lot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All four of my grandparents immigrated at the beginning
>>>>>> of the 1900s, lived in Italian neighborhoods and spoke
>>>>>> little English. They were Resident Aliens, not citizens,
>>>>>> all their lives. (in the 20th century, aliens had to
>>>>>> register annually but there were few or no other
>>>>>> impediments to their lives).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In 1934, my eldest aunt on my mother's side wrote to the
>>>>>> President, as my grandfather's work was cut to half time
>>>>>> and he was very close to losing his house for nonpayment.
>>>>>> She was a sixth grader and the only person in the family
>>>>>> with adequate English. By whatever good luck, their
>>>>>> mortgage was extended. My mother and all her siblings
>>>>>> voted straight democrat all their lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> p.s. all my uncles in both families served in WWII. My
>>>>>> father, the youngest, turned 18 as the war ended and did
>>>>>> not.
>>>>>
>>>>> My Polish grandparents arrived when your Italian ones
>>>>> arrived. They did become citizens, but they certainly
>>>>> suffered discrimination.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Back to the original link, the subject of the cyclist's
>>>>>> efforts are illegal aliens, not actual immigrants.
>>>>>
>>>>> There have been plenty of tales of legal immigrants and
>>>>> even U.S. citizens suffering arrest and imprisonment
>>>>> because they didn't look "American" enough - IOW white
>>>>> enough.
>>>>
>>>> Not tales, documented incidents:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-s-ice-agents-arrest-
>>>> puerto-rican-military-veteran-in-deportation-raid/ar-AA1xNWx9
>>>>
>>>> "They did not ask me for documentation for my American
>>>> workers, Portuguese workers, or white workers,"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> An obvious error and it will be promptly rectified if it
>>> hasn't been already. Meanwhile, we're deporting illegal
>>> Russians, who do not have the vaunted BIPOC status, along
>>> with all the rest.
>>>
>>> I regularly get citations for no seal belt.  Since there's
>>> never a good ending to arguing with police or sheriffs, I
>>> take the ticket, say thank you and write the Court. They
>>> citations are always dismissed. (1965 = exempt)
>> 
>> Got it...  "seat belt"..  It took me a minute. I've not had police
>> trouble with the gun on my bike. but I once had a "citizen" tell me he
>> was going to report me. That was back when I only  had a black sock
>> covering it. Nowdays it's better concealed.
>> 
>> --
>> C'est bon
>> Soloman
>
>Sorry sometimes I type faster than I can type.

You don't have to apologize to me. Look at all the mistakes and goofs
I make. 

--
C'est bon
Soloman