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From: Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 06:26:10 +0100, Hibou
<vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

>Le 29/07/2024 à 22:24, Rich Ulrich a écrit :
>> Hibou wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been called stupid countless times, especially in Usenet fora, and
>>> met many who have clung to demonstrably false beliefs (dear old
>>> fr.soc.religion in its heyday!) - too many, I think, to infer that they
>>> were all suffering from some syndrome or other. It's just human nature,
>>> innit?
>> 
>> I will repeat, neurotypicals (NTs) and Aspies overlap a lot. But when
>> a person shows a bunch of separate, rare traits ...
>
>I don't think clinging to debating positions is rare, and dismissing 
>critics as stupid or liars is one way of doing so. (It reminds me of 
>dictatorships.)

I'm reminded of that maxim taught to teachers, "There is no such
thing as a stupid question."  Bob never learned that one, nor (it 
seemed) the concept of someone being misled or otherwise mistaken. 

Starting a discussion by saying "you must be stupid" is even worse
than saying "that is a stupid idea" -- IIRC, he never made that 
distinction, either. 

>
>> that is what
>> adds up to a diagnosis. And, How often does a behavior show up?
>>   
>> I counted at one time -- in a month, Bob called 11 different people
>> Stupid or Liar.  Or it might have been about that many for each
>> word (it's been a long time). Do you excuse that as 'human nature'?
>
>I don't excuse it at all.
>
>> I found myself interacting with him a lot because I had sort of taken
>> on the task of a monitor in the stats groups,
>
>A self-appointed moderator?

Yep.  This was an open group, but I took it on myself to see that 
every question got some response.  At the least, I would ask if
anybody had a suggestion of what other group might be relevant. 

And I would at least try to deflect his hostile attention to myself, 
while apologizing to the Poster. 

>
>> and he was prone to
>> (even) start out, like, "You must be stupid to ask THAT."  This was
>> from a guy who spent his working life as a college professor who
>> was not well liked by his students (and there is another story,
>> there).
>
>He appears to have been a big influence in your life.

Yes -- I had worked on psychiatric research for 35 years, learning
about schizophrenia, depression, borderline personality, hyperactive
kids, and a little bit about what I still call 'retarded'.  But I knew
nothing of autism or Aspies. To figure him out, once I got as far as
'autism', I read multiple books, and I started reading the autism 
group (no relevant posts, now, in years). It added a new range to
my understanding of how people screw up in their reasoning and
coping. 

I suppose that figuring out Trump's problems has been a comparable
course of study, though less successful.  True Narcissists, it turns 
out, are practically beyond predicting (if you aren't one?).  The
notion of 'dual diagnosis' helps, with Trump, I figure, since he is 
also a sociopath -- a somewhat easier diagnosis. 

>
>>>> I don't know how much of their problem is created or influenced
>>>> by the aftermath of their own social ineptness -- a feature
>>>> have not been discussing. The Usenet autism group once posted
>>>> a note by a woman who said that her child's kindergarten teacher
>>>> praised the daughter for her 'maturity' since she never joined in
>>>> when kids were bullying or hassling. The teacher did not
>>>> recognize that the daughter was not mature, she simply did not
>>>> UNDERSTAND why the  bullying was taking place; she did not
>>>> join in automatically, because she did not fit in.
>>>>
>>>> Aspies are not insulted by the same things neurotypicals
>>>> consider insulting, so they make social mistakes. They get called
>>>> Stupid or Liar when they claim they did not UNDERSTAND that
>>>> someone would (or would not) be offended by something.
>>>> " - Okay, you insulted my shirt.  My mama picked it out, not me.
>>>> Why should I be offended?"  Or the Aspie might insult a shirt,
>>>> while imagining they were offering a trivial observation. [...]
>>>
>>> Goodness me! I am learning a lot. (I have Asperger's myself.)
>> 
>> You're welcome?
>
>Do please continue. I'm eager to learn more.

-- 
Rich Ulrich