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Subject: Re: ABC settles "rape" claim re: Pres. Elect.
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On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:54:34 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>On 12/24/2024 7:38 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 12:00:14 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12/23/2024 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:26:44 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/22/2024 10:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:45:40 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/21/2024 10:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:18:31 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/2024 7:07 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:24:55 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2024 7:29 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 07:50:15 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 12:40:22 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/16/2024 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific legal issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He did not say "guilty".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 	Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 	that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidential library...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          From your cited article:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "�Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rape by a jury,� Stephonopoulos said on ABC�s This Week at the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> �It�s been affirmed by a judge.�
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll�s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure to �prove that she was �raped� within the meaning of the New
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> �raped� her as many people commonly understand the word �rape.��
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> �Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,� US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth the bytes it would take.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her.  Explain *that* fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump was not convicted of rape.  ABC said he was.  They lied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of story.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No one cares.  He was charge and found not guilty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> End of story.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's not technical.  It's fact.  Trying to spin otherwise is engaging
>>>>>>>>>> in technicalities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's a fact that NY law makes a misleading technical distinction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Laughter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Go ahead and explain it for us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We think you don't really want an explanation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's your claim.  If you can't explain it, then we all understand that
>>>>>> you're lying.
>>>>>
>>>>> We all recognize a genuine request for explanation when we all hear one.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Non-response is noted.
>>>> Please try again.
>>>
>>> Okay, we'll try to catch you between your peals of laughter...
>>>
>>> NY law says that only penile insertion is rape.  E.g., across the river,
>>> NJ disagrees.  And so do the vast majority of Americans, I'd guess, so
>>> that no one is confused when they read that, e.g., NY cops raped Abner
>>> Louima with a broom handle...
>>>
>> 
>> And Trump was found not guilty of rape.  Do you think it's fine for a
>> journalist to insist that a clear lie is true?
>
>Not guilty of rape as narrowly defined by NY law ...but guilty of 
>actions which, legally and colloquially, are considered rape elsewhere.
>

Look at you trying to redefine NY law.
They found him not guilty of rape.
Boy George said no fewer than 10 times that he was found guilty.
Trump sued.
ABC settled because it was an obvious libel.
You stumble around trying to defend Boy George.

You lose.

Laughter.