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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah. Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2024 08:48:02 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 67 Message-ID: <qibhcjhdevk1vtfdb13b33sl53d017nte8@4ax.com> References: <v90pgc$3clah$1@dont-email.me> <jtmhbj9orggi70sh6289gqp4r1d1fj5is6@4ax.com> <v9g04g$3v26h$1@dont-email.me> <t1kpbjp3p5sf25daro2vph7in7vg211mgt@4ax.com> <v9iv43$iig5$1@dont-email.me> <3sasbj98eu1j1s954e1vnbshkht3uiu84j@4ax.com> <n9f8cjpecn8bbj4rtsdplp5hs2fptpkl36@4ax.com> <72668a2c-44e6-4ab5-a0b8-217574483c03@mouse-potato.com> <9n4ccjp64j2mfdv0g0l19ro64str1lo6g1@4ax.com> <va5me6$s0e$1@dont-email.me> <s0pecjpclgo9424psntfqu11m1sa4694r2@4ax.com> <va88p0$io0u$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:48:04 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c25608062811b332ea32833c2bb866ac"; logging-data="1025355"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Y/NsarD9l11FcglYfnWMUClL6oi1RZHc=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:kImCoaAUaXE10iB8KKuYoYBpz0Y= Bytes: 4279 On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 16:57:51 -0400, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote: >Paul S Person wrote: >> On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 14:32:41 -0700, Bobbie Sellers >> <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote: >>=20 >> <snippo> >>=20 >>>> Back in the 80's, my mother (a knee-jerk Republican: mention = "Kennedy" >>>> and her right knee would jerk and she'd say "Chappaquiddick") = confided >>>> in me that the only reason FDR served four terms was because the = Dems >>>> had /suspended the two term limit/ so he could do so. The reality, = of >>>> course, is that the two-term limit came later, mostly to prevent a >>>> recurrence of a four-term Presidency. >>>> >>>> As I've said before about the Republican Party: the rot runs deep, >>>> very deep indeed. >>> >>> I think I have covered that. >>> >>> But the Democratic Party was racist until Kennedy Time. >>> He was the only president I ever bothered to gaze upon in >>> San Diego not long before I got kicked out and he got murdered. >>> My friends in Sacramento were absolutely destroyed by the >>> assassination but I was too intent on surviving with a UD. And >>> so once more I was out of step with the mood of the time. I >>> am really good at that. >>=20 >> The Southern Democrats ("Dixiecrats") were. How badly that tinged the >> rest of the party I have no idea. > > >As Caro describes it in "Master of the Senate" the Southern Democratic=20 >Caucus was segregationist, with (IIRC) twenty two votes, with at the=20 >time two southern democratic senators being against segregation. > >That was not enough to avoid cloture of a filibuster. But they cut a=20 >deal with western (but not west coast) republicans. In return for=20 >southern support of federal funding for western infrastructure, the=20 >western and midwest republican senators would not support a cloture=20 >vote, thus giving the south the power to filibuster anything. > >It was this alliance that killed, e.g. the original 1957 civil rights=20 >bill, though it was supported by east and west coast republicans,=20 >northern democrats, by Eisenhower and Nixon. > >Humphrey, Jackson, and other liberal senators were glad to get something= =20 >called "civil rights" passed, and LBJ needed it for his presidential=20 >ambitions, but in actual fact the act achieved nothing. Actually, I read an article (how long ago and in what source I do not know) that LBJ fought to get the provisions on voting tried in /Federal/ courts rather than /State/ courts. The jury pools were different, and the Federal juries were less likely to side with the accused when African-American voters were being suppressed. IOW, he (and others) ensured that the law had some /teeth/.=20 --=20 "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino, Who evil spoke of everyone but God, Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"