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From: Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2024 08:48:02 -0700
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 16:57:51 -0400, William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

>Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 14:32:41 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
>> <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> <snippo>
>>=20
>>>> Back in the 80's, my mother (a knee-jerk Republican: mention =
"Kennedy"
>>>> and her right knee would jerk and she'd say "Chappaquiddick") =
confided
>>>> in me that the only reason FDR served four terms was because the =
Dems
>>>> had /suspended the two term limit/ so he could do so. The reality, =
of
>>>> course, is that the two-term limit came later, mostly to prevent a
>>>> recurrence of a four-term Presidency.
>>>>
>>>> As I've said before about the Republican Party: the rot runs deep,
>>>> very deep indeed.
>>>
>>> 	I think I have covered that.
>>>
>>> 	But the Democratic Party was racist until Kennedy Time.
>>> He was the only president I ever bothered to gaze upon in
>>> San Diego not long before I got kicked out and he got murdered.
>>> My friends in Sacramento were absolutely destroyed by the
>>> assassination but I was too intent on surviving with a UD. And
>>> so once more I was out of step with the mood of the time. I
>>> am really good at that.
>>=20
>> The Southern Democrats ("Dixiecrats") were. How badly that tinged the
>> rest of the party I have no idea.
>
>
>As Caro describes it in "Master of the Senate" the Southern Democratic=20
>Caucus was segregationist, with (IIRC) twenty two votes, with at the=20
>time two southern democratic senators being against segregation.
>
>That was not enough to avoid cloture of a filibuster.  But they cut a=20
>deal with western (but not west coast) republicans.  In return for=20
>southern support of federal funding for western infrastructure, the=20
>western and midwest republican senators would not support a cloture=20
>vote, thus giving the south the power to filibuster anything.
>
>It was this alliance that killed, e.g. the original 1957 civil rights=20
>bill, though it was supported by east and west coast republicans,=20
>northern democrats, by Eisenhower and Nixon.
>
>Humphrey, Jackson, and other liberal senators were glad to get something=
=20
>called "civil rights" passed, and LBJ needed it for his presidential=20
>ambitions, but in actual fact the act achieved nothing.

Actually, I read an article (how long ago and in what source I do not
know) that LBJ fought to get the provisions on voting tried in
/Federal/ courts rather than /State/ courts. The jury pools were
different, and the Federal juries were less likely to side with the
accused when African-American voters were being suppressed.

IOW, he (and others) ensured that the law had some /teeth/.=20
--=20
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"