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On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 21:26:23 -0400, Radey Shouman
<shouman@comcast.net> wrote:

>AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:
>
>> On 5/31/2024 5:15 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:
>>> 
>>>> On 5/31/2024 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>> On 5/31/2024 2:34 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/31/2024 1:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/31/2024 11:42 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> ...   I can't think of any well run major city in USA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With all due respect: Do you have examples of "well run" cities in
>>>>>>> other countries? (Although we should recognize that American
>>>>>>> cities must exist within the framework of American laws,
>>>>>>> constitution and history.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My main point here is that your definition of "well run" may be
>>>>>>> overly idealistic. It may be no more realistic than the extreme
>>>>>>> left's visions of cities where police are unnecessary, poverty
>>>>>>> does not exist, everybody is vegan and rides bicycles... or
>>>>>>> whatever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've asked similar questions regarding national policies regarding
>>>>>>> taxation, etc. If you can't give examples of countries or cities
>>>>>>> that, in your view, do things properly, it may be that your
>>>>>>> standards are unrealistic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't offhand in USA. But the (post Pacific War) exemplar is
>>>>>> Singapore, notably efficient with notably small, even negligible,
>>>>>> amounts of corruption.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So it is possible for humans. Just not here.
>>>>> Yeah, singapore....I guess if you're a big proponent of
>>>>> following rules and conforming to government dictates of
>>>>> 'decency'.....
>>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/absurd-laws-of-singapore-2012-6
>>>>> but hey, I'll bet the trains run on time...
>>>>
>>>> They do of course and they system is not a filthy mugger's paradise
>>>> like CTA and NYC trains:
>>>>
>>>> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xd42CnVyU08/maxresdefault.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's no litter or gum on the sidewalks, extremely low crime rate.
>>>>
>>>> I couldn't live there* but the actual citizens of Singapore
>>>> overwhelmingly approve of city administration and have for
>>>> decades.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH corruption, crime and filth combined with high Singapore level
>>>> taxes lacks appeal as well:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.illinoispolicy.org/9-years-of-decline-expect-chicago-to-be-no-4-behind-houston-by-2035/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *not only a question of liberty. Check out the rents!!
>>>> https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Singapore
>>>  From
>>> https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/caught-speeding-singapore/
>>>     For serious traffic offences such as exceeding the speed limit
>>> by more
>>>     than 40 km/h, offenders will be prosecuted in court. In this situation,
>>>     offenders can be fined up to $1,000 and/or jailed for up to 3 months for
>>>     a first conviction in court.
>>>     These maximum penalties are doubled for repeat offenders. Repeat
>>>     offenders who have been convicted at least 2 times for exceeding the
>>>     speed limit by more than 40 km/h may also face enhanced penalties under
>>>     section 67(A) of the Road Traffic Act.
>>>     In this case, the court may exercise its discretion to sentence
>>> a repeat
>>>     offender to up to 3 times the punishment that he would otherwise be
>>>     liable for, subject to a jail term of up to 10 years. On top of that,
>>>     repeat offenders who cause serious injury or death to another person may
>>>     also be caned up to 6 strokes.
>>> Exceeded the speed limit twice by more than 25 mph?
>>
>>
>> By the way, if you were advising RNC on a convention venue, where?  I
>> think Mr Krygowski asked a very good question.
>
>I'm not sure the criteria for a convention city are the same or even similar
>to those for a place to live.  Who can't stand a little dystopian
>management if it's only for a few days?
>
>There was a time when real decisions were made at party conventions.
>Back in those days I would think a reliable telegraph office and several
>suppliers of nickle cigars would have been the deciding factors.
>
>These days are different.  The convention is but a somewhat boring tv
>show for a shrinking audience and a chance to reward the party faithful
>with a little junket.  This year the real Democrat convention will be a
>zoom meeting, and literally nothing will be decided in the meatspace
>convention weeks later (required so that Mr. Krygowski and his fellow
>Ohio voters have the chance to tick the Brandon box).
>
>I would have thought that the convention city might be chosen to reward
>party hacks there, but it's hard to imagine too many Republican hacks in
>Milwaukee, so that can't be it.
>
>Given that the desiderata are a meaningless spectacle for the home crowd
>and a fun time for the delegates, I suggest they use the desert playa
>made famous by Burning Man.  It is something to see, even on tv, and the
>organizers would get to show off their skills in providing any services
>at all.  The secret service might be a little put out, but the desert
>would have to be better than being bitten by ornery presidential dogs.
>
>I understand Nevada will be a swing state this year, so there is that to
>consider as well.

+1...  except for the burning man suggestion. The only good thing
about political conventions is that they keep the media busy with even
more worthless drivel than their usual fare.