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From: Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Pearls Before Swine: Rat The Luddite
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2024 08:58:44 -0700
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On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:12:35 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>>On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 22:15:25 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 18:35:55 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>The only solution is to completely eliminate single-use
>>>>plastics.    I'd even go so far as to include milk and
>>>>juice jugs in that ban (glass is far more recyclable
>>>>and aside shipping weight, similar in cost).
>>>>
>>>>Paper milk cartons can eliminate the plastic lid.
>>>
>>>What does "single use" mean? I understand in the context of fast food
>>>cups but how about less common items like those 4 liter milk jugs I
>
>As noted below, I explicitly included 4liter/1gallon milk jugs.
>
>>>get my milk in (and generally put out each week in the recycling bin)
>>>or similar such items - for instance my cheddar comes wrapped in
>>>plastic and once the cheese is eaten, that plastic wrapper isn't
>>>getting used again <grin>
>
>Cheese was available for purchase before plastic packaging
>was invented.
>
>>
>>He is explicitly including milk and juice, suggesting we go back to
>>glass.
>>
>>Which is fine, so long as, when I drop one on the floor and it breaks,
>>he comes over, cleans up the mess, and gives me my money back.
>
>Why should I pay for your clumsiness?

Because /you/ are responsible for the results.

Not my clumsiness, but for the breaking and spillage.

>>Plastic jugs don't break as often, although I suppose you could get
>>one to do so if you tried hard enough.
>
>Some plastic jugs have screw on lids, others have press-on. Guess
>what happens when you drop the latter?

The ones I buy have screw-on caps. Which, if reattached after washing
the container, can be recycled with the container.

>>There is a /reason/ we replaced glass with plastic, at least in some
>>cases.
>
>The primary reason is shipping weight.

But they were accepted because they were clearly safer.

And, as others have pointed out, the glass ones had smaller volumes
than the larger plastic ones.

And involved paying/recovering deposits. Booze did to, back when I was
so young that picking up others' bottles, draining them and washing
the barf off them, and turning them in was a way to get pocket change.
But that was long ago.

But not milk. Those were delivered/recovered by a delivery driver on a
daily (or near-daily) basis. The grocery store I go to is built on the
site of the dairy that bottled and distributed the milk (and other
dairy products).

>>Interestingly, while, until they were banned, one-time-use plastic
>>shopping bags were taxed (as were and still are papter one-time-use
>>paper bags), smaller bags used to contain fruits and veggies were
>>exempt, despite clearly being one-time-use.
>
>The Trader Joes produce bags are biodegradable.

Good for them. No, seriously.
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Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"