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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: power supply discharge Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2024 11:24:16 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 60 Message-ID: <qvqlfjt4ttk1qeae20tje6mblci4h4d2ku@4ax.com> References: <c5idfjp9miqru154ei6tnmg8m14qd30m6d@4ax.com> <lls6r9Frm70U1@mid.individual.net> <4nrifjdkjuhai9dujuhir4eu91alovqjf6@4ax.com> <7i6lfjh7m3bt17jn2ponboi0a2refvpuob@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2024 20:23:08 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="19acf2aba06f88abd3e1770099384bdc"; logging-data="2469345"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/n2ep9lTldhcdry99ZGFAu" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:YvOKGn8itlnlq+A4CoO3MRoRQ2E= Bytes: 3322 On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 08:39:27 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 08:23:01 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote: > >>On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 22:28:07 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> >>wrote: >> >>>On 9/27/24 8:07 AM, john larkin wrote: >>>> >>>> Given a benchtop power supply, you can turn the voltage up and then >>>> down, and it goes down. Most have a substantial amount of output >>>> capacitance, and can be driving an external cap too. So something >>>> pulls the output down. >>>> >>> >>>Often the only internal load is the resistive divider for the regulator >>>loop feedback. >>> >>> >>>> I guess that there are no standards for this, but I've never seen a >>>> supply that just hangs high when it's cranked down. >>>> >>> >>>I have some. They drop very slowly when there isn't much load on the output. >> >>Customers might whine if they ask for 10 volts and see 30. Amd that >>may be mostly held up by their capacitive load. >> >>> >>> >>>> I'm designing some programmable multi-channel power suplies and that >>>> is one of many tangled issues in the project. >>>> >>> >>>A synchronous buck architecture should work quite well if you need to >>>slew fast. I've used that on a driver that had to modulate a hard >>>capacitive load at several kHz and above 100V. >> >>I'm doing some multichannel non-isolated supplies that will be sync >>buck, using multiple TI DRV8962 chips. >> >>One problem is that a sync buck can become a boost in the wrong >>direction, and start charging my +48 supply. If it hits, say, 55 >>volts, I'll disable the switcher chips, and the outputs can hang. I >>need to discharge the outputs. I'm thinking about 20 mA of depletion >>fet per channel. > >You might consider overvoltage protection or a (switched ?) >internal minimum load.There's usuaally some point in the >control loop that's a good indicator of a pull-down requirement. >A single ovp or autoload on the input looks likely to serve >all of your many sync-bucks. > >RL An MOV on the bulk supply could limit the reverse-pump excursion until the software can notice and shut things down. MOVs can gobble a lot of joules, but their clipping is very soggy.