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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 13:59:24 +0000 From: Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Subject: Re: Strategy on the Decline Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 09:59:25 -0400 Message-ID: <r0ce5jddulaik9a5nif6vi2pi1fvlkg198@4ax.com> References: <k1e45jl423b7n1bsn59gqv5d55shm6dbse@4ax.com> <rln45jl6jv6sbf5nfa8jlm1qu6gbqifpc9@4ax.com> <lbfahsF3tt4U1@mid.individual.net> <v34s2e$l5si$1@dont-email.me> <5hmd5j59ef3g9mc6joh5dvjica7klnuag2@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 77 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-WYrD2unomNDn19nmNEIIcJ4Crv+47ZgvyFYFwvPVu63PoboSmdBMMPVk2Hfdqm+SYBctG2KPtOe3/PG!2ecV+S3jmYp+JEI3csvLxjLeqMd3nQGkEMAdM8qjjCo/wqp68qw3r9+GeyTUsffUfWVh+NY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4964 On Wed, 29 May 2024 03:36:58 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote: >Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> looked up from reading the entrails of >the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say: > >>On 5/25/2024 4:28 PM, Lane Larson wrote: >> >>> It's a horror story.� Say I come up with $3200 to buy the top end >>> Alienware.� I bet I'd still have to deal with lots of overheating.� What >>> I'd like to do is break my computer over someone's head and get in the >>> news, where it says that my computer was too hot and drove me mad.� I >>> was appalled when I got this one home and Pathfinder: Wrath of the >>> Righteous was used to fry an egg.� When is this shit going to stop?� I >>> bought too many computers in the 90s just to keep up.� My parents lost >>> some faith in me when I liquidated my stock portfolio to buy just >>> another computer.� And it's still happening! >> >>Don't buy pre-made gaming computers. You end up paying 2x (or 3x if >>you're talking $3200!) what you would for a better optimized system with >>cooling that works. > >This depends. >A local computer shop offers prebuilts that are not bad value at all. >The caveat is they have almost no upgrade path except swapping out the >video card, since they tend to have lower end motherboards and have all >the ram slots filled already. > >You are correct if it's brand name junk like Alienware or any other big >name, you get charged $500-1000 just to have their name on it. I agree. My last two PCs were pre-builts. I could have -and in the past /have/- built my own computers, but it's just easier to have somebody else do all the work for me. Will that motherboard fit in the case? Is the cooling sufficient? Etc. But of course, the price was an issue. EVERYONE knows prebuilts are more expensive. But you know what? Not necessarily. Oh sure, there are some boutique builders. Falcon Northwest's prices are insane (about double anybody else) and throw in a lot unnecessary 'extras' (like being delivered in a heavy wooden crate). But I've priced the stuff from some builders, then went out and searched for the exact same price from retailers, and you know what? The builders were competitive; sometimes a little more, and sometimes even a little less than what I would pay if I bought all the components separately. [note: that is, of course, assuming you buy from RELIABLE retailers. Yes, I could find the components for a lot cheaper if I relied on EBay or from sold by some six-letter company on Amazon Marketplace or from AliExpress. But then you're never sure you're going to get what you're promised, and that's just not the sort of hassle I'm interested in. So in my pricing experiment, I stuck to more reliable - and admittedly more expensive - sources. YMMV may vary depending on what level of risk you're happy with.] And if you're not the sort who enjoys tinkering with hardware -mixing and matching components, figuring out how many amps your PSU /really/ needs, deciding what thermal paste is Right For You- then the value of prebuilts absolutely skyrockets. In the late 90s and early 2000s, the boutique pre-built market undeniably was the overly expensive option. You'd get a LOT more bang for your buck building it yourself. But these days? Yeah, you'll probably pay a little more... but not as much as you might think. Even for the boutique pre-builts, the industry has become commoditized and prices are fairly reasonable... at least considering the hardware on offer. No, it won't be cheap -you don't go to boutique prebuilts because they're inexpensive but because you want performance- but the price margin isn't as massive as some claim.